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To: Abathar
So, let me get this straight. An ex-girlfriend can go before a judge, make some accusations and get a restraining order against a guy, and this process immediately strips him of the right to possess ammunition which he legally purchased?

Did I get moved to the USSR as I slept?

47 posted on 08/31/2007 9:39:29 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: TChris; Abathar
So, let me get this straight. An ex-girlfriend can go before a judge, make some accusations and get a restraining order against a guy, and this process immediately strips him of the right to possess ammunition which he legally purchased?

Yes, this is a result of the Lautenberg Amendment to the "Protection From Violence Against Women Act"(or some such name) a few years back. It was a vicious little poison pill Sen. Frank Lautenberg-NJ inserted to expand the scope of the existing restrictions on felons possessing guns to include even potential or alleged domestic violence against women. It's flatly unconstitutional, but as we all know that means absolutely nothing to our selfless public servants these days.

Did I get moved to the USSR as I slept?

No, while all Americans have slept for decades our leaders have gradually imported, adopted and infused the essence of the Soviet Union into this country. The resulting cancer has already metasticized and the prognosis is not good.

84 posted on 08/31/2007 10:56:15 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: TChris

“Did I get moved to the USSR as I slept?”

Every day I find myself asking that same question.


153 posted on 08/31/2007 3:55:12 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: TChris
So, let me get this straight. An ex-girlfriend can go before a judge, make some accusations and get a restraining order against a guy, and this process immediately strips him of the right to possess ammunition which he legally purchased?

Don't know about ammo, but or guns, yes that is exactly what the Lautenberg amendment provides.

While I didn't know about the ammunition, I just checked, and it is indeed covered by the law (18 USC 922(g)(8) It even affects police officers and military. Military! According to a Ft. Riley web site:

the Lautenberg Amendment makes it a felony for anyone convicted of a misdemeanor crime of “domestic violence” (e.g., assault or attempted assault on a family member) to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms or ammunition. There is no exception for military personnel engaged in official duties. The Amend­ment also makes it a felony for anyone to sell or issue a firearm or ammunition to a person with such a convic­tion. This includes commanders and NCOs who furnish weapons or ammunition to soldiers knowing, or having reason to believe, they have qualifying convictions.

E. Command Responsibilities. Commanders requesting guidance concerning the Lautenberg Amendment should contact their Trial Counsel or the Administrative Law Division at 239-2717. DOD and Army policy requires the following to implement and enforce the Lautenberg Amendment:

1. Notify soldiers that it is unlawful to possess firearms and ammunition if they have qualifying domestic violence convictions;

2. Check local unit files to determine whether soldiers have qualifying convic­tions and report soldiers known to have such convictions through command channels to HQDA;

3. Detail soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions to duties not requiring the bearing of weapons or ammunition;

4. Prohibit soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from deploy­ments for missions requiring possession of firearms or ammunition;

5. Prohibit soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from attending military schools where instruction in weapons or ammunition is part of the curriculum;

6. Prohibit soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from receiving OCONUS assignments;

7. Transfer – where possible – soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from TOE to TDA units and organizations; and

8. Prohibit soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from re-enlisting.

Did I get moved to the USSR as I slept? You must have slept a long time. The amendment was part of the FY 1997 DoD Appropriations Act (ie. "Must Pass" Legislation, which few CongressCritters read) and was effective 30 September 1996.

188 posted on 09/01/2007 9:07:47 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TChris; Abathar
So, let me get this straight. An ex-girlfriend can go before a judge, make some accusations and get a restraining order against a guy, and this process immediately strips him of the right to possess ammunition which he legally purchased?

Yessir, been precedent for several years now. Someone earlier said that it was the basis for Emerson.

IIRC you need not even be notified of the order and are subject to the penalties of violation, as well as stripping others in the household of RKBA because of your 'EPO' and no guns in the house law...

251 posted on 09/03/2007 8:34:02 PM PDT by Gilbo_3
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