Posted on 08/31/2007 9:16:22 AM PDT by Abathar
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Authorities said they removed nearly 80,000 rounds of ammunition from the home of a South Bend man who warned that the world was going to end.
South Bend police and federal agents blocked off streets around Kevin Rieder's home for six hours Wednesday while they removed the ammunition.
Rieder, 38, was arrested Wednesday and charged with illegal possession of ammunition while subject to a restraining order, Assistant U.S. Attorney Donald Schmidt said.
The restraining order had been taken out by an ex-girlfriend, Schmidt said.
Rieder told employees at a gun shop where he bought 18,000 rounds that he believed the world was going to end, officials said.
He was in custody Friday morning, awaiting a Tuesday bail and detention hearing.
you posted “so I have no objections to seeing the decrease from 10 pounds to 1 pound. I would hate to see a firefighter getting killed or injured because of unresponsible powder storage”.
And just how many firefighters have been killed by private black powder storage? I don’t think I have ever heard about a firefighter injury from black powder. The exception would be a fireworks factory but they are clearly identified. Firefighters always assume the worst in any situation. But a homeowner with black powder does have a responsibility to notify firefighters at the scene, but no reason to otherwise notify anyone of anything because there is nothing illegal about possessing ammo or powder for personal use.
The amount of powder one should keep should only be limited by their individual preferences and safety considerations, not some arbitrary government protection racket micromanaging personal choice.
Just my opinion.
We know what laws we live under. What we need to discover is who operates above and beyond the law. Likely they are also involved with jack booted thugs and use intimidation and authority to force compliance to unwritten law.
Corrupt LEO”S know when they step out of line they rarely are challenged by common citizens. It usually takes a Supreme court ruling and that takes considerable resources for the subjects in the kingdom to initiate.
It makes a great show for the media. Every time a firearm is “confiscated” during some raid, it is used as a anti gun campaign example of alleged dangerous criminals with guns.
The average sheeple thinks more than a box of ammo is more than necessary. 10,000 rounds is assult weapons territory.
One of my old neighbors was a firefighter. He told me that they actually let houses burn to the ground more than once because they heard ammo and firecrackers going off and didn’t know what other explosives might be in the house.
If you aren’t there to advise them during the fire about what is inside and where it’s located don’t expect them to get heroic about saving a structure.
They probably closed it off because they were dealing with a nutcase and had no idea just what he had inside the house.
that’s what I was thinking when I read it too. They must have wanted to look good for the camera crews they knew would show up.
Thats why I have full coverage insurance. Planning for the worst case scenario is due prudence.
I used to be a firefighter and usually when the ammo went off in an old farm house the only firefighting activity left was protecting adjacent structures. I have heard shells go off. Propane tanks. Areosol cans. Portable oxygen tanks and oxy acetylene welders. Ammo is usually the last thing to go off because of it’s size and location. Fighting fires is dangerous and there is never anything certain when entering a live fire in a structure.
After a fire it is very hard to determine how many rounds of ammo went off. What actually exploded, unless someone wants to get into a detailed fire forensics investigation, is of little concern after the fact. And forensics only analyzes probable cause, not what all went up in smoke.
See now. The trial by media has already biased your opinion that the person was a nutcase, thus unworthy of possessing firearms or ammo.
Thats exactly why the LEO’s stage a scene. It isn’t just about enforcing a law. It is all about enforcing an agenda.
Personally, I think anyone who uses their residence as an ammo dump is a nutcase. Why have that much of a fire hazard in your own home? Explain that to me.
Possessing large amounts of ammo is not a fire hazard unless someone really stupid is messing with it.
So what if their house burns down? Stupid people have a right to be idiots. We are talking about less than a 1 in 250,000 chance that something might go wrong. It is much more dangerous going out on the freeway during rush hour then ammo self igniting.
A one in a quarter million chance is not anything to worry about. Knee jerking over a staged media event to make cops look really effective, is no reason to ponder limiting access or storage of legal ammo or a hundred guns if so desired.
Yessir, been precedent for several years now. Someone earlier said that it was the basis for Emerson.
IIRC you need not even be notified of the order and are subject to the penalties of violation, as well as stripping others in the household of RKBA because of your 'EPO' and no guns in the house law...
Again, I beleive Emerson was the ruling, and the EPO was required by law for all divorce proceedings. He didnt know that and was busted...
LOLOL, Always appreciated your sense of humor, [truth is always funnier than BS]
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