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Ron Paul Has Betrayed The GOP! (Former Staff Member on Ron Paul's change after 9/11)
AFK at Townhall ^ | 04/18/2007 | Cary Wesberry

Posted on 08/31/2007 5:28:19 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: wideawake
Even the most ardent Rittberg haters that I have discovered on the web so far admit that these are rumors.

Could be true. Maybe his wife really was mugged three times in Houston.
Then again, maybe the rumors about Craig, Foley and Haggard are lies.
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121 posted on 09/04/2007 10:30:25 AM PDT by radioman
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Re: Your tagline

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1872558/posts?page=1


122 posted on 09/04/2007 10:37:54 AM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: radioman
Could be true.

So there is no truth.

Maybe his wife really was mugged three times in Houston.

I used to work in a not-so-nice NYC neighborhood and I was mugged twice in a three-month period, despite the fact that I'm a guy and I was 6'2 and 225 lbs and an active 20-something rugby player at the time.

Houston is more dangerous than NYC and his wife is apparently a diminutive middle-aged woman.

It's certainly possible.

Then again, maybe the rumors about Craig, Foley and Haggard are lies.

Your allegations against Rittberg are indeed rumors.

Craig was arrested (his arrest report is on line as is the interrogation tape) and pled guilty.

Mark Foley's IMs are a matter of public record and he admitted publicly through his attorney that he sent them.

Ted Haggard also publicly admitted his misdeeds in statements given to the media.

Your three examples make for terrible analogies.

They can't mask the fact that you can't back up what you said.

123 posted on 09/04/2007 10:50:50 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
So there is no truth.
LOL!
I was a agreeing with you when I said "could be true" about the rumors.

I used to work in a not-so-nice NYC neighborhood and I was mugged twice in a three-month period, despite the fact that I'm a guy and I was 6'2 and 225 lbs and an active 20-something rugby player at the time.

Uh huh...She was beat up by muggers three times in one year in Houston? If you tell me your wife was beat up by muggers I'll sympathize with you and her. When it gets to the third time I'll suspect her beatings are a little closer to home.

It's certainly possible.
It certainly is. It's also possible that OJ is innocent.
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124 posted on 09/04/2007 11:22:00 AM PDT by radioman
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To: wideawake; AndreaThorn
That is emphatically what he did not say. He was asked point blank if the US was involved in 9/11 and all he said was "I've seen no evidence of that." Not: "No, absolutely not." Not: "Of course not, and such claims are irresponsible." But: "I've seen no evidence."

Wrong again, wideawake, and I explained this to you just 3 days ago. When asked if he agrees with the truthers, Congressman Paul answered, "Absolutely not". In other words, he answered just the way you said he should, and further, you knew that when you made your post.

So the question becomes, why do you keep posting this lie? You know Paul's supporters are familiar with this history. You know we're going to bust you on it. Are you really that desperate to destroy your own credibility? If so, then congratulations. It's now down to zero.

125 posted on 09/04/2007 11:44:30 AM PDT by JTN (‘We achieve much more in peace than…unconstitutional, undeclared wars’ - Dr. Paul)
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To: JTN
Wrong again, wideawake

Sadly for Ron Paul, I am not.

He says that the US government did not deliberately plot 9/11, but remains silent on the other Truther claim that the government knew it was going to happen and deliberately chose to do nothing, saying he had "seen no evidence" that was the case.

He compounded his ambiguity by stating that there was a "danger" that the US would permit another avoidable terrorist incident to happen in order to justify supposed attacks on civil liberties.

Are you really that desperate to destroy your own credibility? If so, then congratulations. It's now down to zero.

That's a laugh. Ron Paul's credibility is now zero - he has hung himself with his own words.

126 posted on 09/04/2007 12:01:47 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake; radioman; Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Wideawake, RP supporters aren’t known for consistence, but this takes the cake.

On the one hand you have.

Calvinist_Dark_Lord: the @$$ kicking you took over the supposed "David Duke endoursment" last week

No one has referred to an actual endorsement, but the point has been made that Paul is apparently comfortable with support from all sorts of nutcakes. Leaving aside the truthers, and even places like anti-war, Lew Rockwell, Joe “I’m obsessed with Jews” Sobran, the Constitution Party, and assorted leftists, this is supported by

The racist remarks in an old newsletter written under his name. At the very least an unidentified racist was obviously close enough to be in a position of trust. To my knowledge never identified of fired.

Support for RP by David Duke’s website, Council of Conservative Citizens and Stormfront, including links to “meet-ups” at Stormfront, and support from similar sites.

Advertisement of Ron Paul as a columnist by American Free Press (Willis Carto)

Radio appearances on Political Cesspool, loosely associated with the CCC. He’s listed above Prussian Blue.

When his campaign was asked about the indicted drug dealer in Canada organizing a support group, they responded that they’ll take support from anywhere.

In the absence of a rejection of their support, there’s more than enough there to establish he’s OK with support from sleazy places. As his campaign indicates.

radioman Uh huh...She was beat up by muggers three times in one year in Houston? If you tell me your wife was beat up by muggers I'll sympathize with you and her. When it gets to the third time I'll suspect her beatings are a little closer to home.

Suddenly the tables turn. With regard to an accusation against a Paul detractor the standards morph. Three assaults, no complaints or witnesses, mean he’s a wife beater. What else could he be?

A clear double standard, but if true it adds wife beaters to potential Paul supporters.

127 posted on 09/04/2007 12:55:48 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: radioman
Uh huh...She was beat up by muggers three times in one year in Houston?

As I pointed out, I who am much larger and stronger than Rittberg's wife, was mugged twice in three months in a city that is much safer than Houston. It really depends on what your routine is.

If someone told me she was mugged three times while shopping in Houston's Galleria district, I would be very suspicious. If someone told me she worked as a teacher in the Third Ward, three times would seem low.

It certainly is. It's also possible that OJ is innocent.

In Simpson's case there actually was physical evidence implicating him which was made available to the public.

In Rittberg's case, I'm still waiting.

128 posted on 09/04/2007 1:04:26 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
In light of your depleted credibility on that issue, i don't see why anybody on this board should accept anything that you have to say...

Who TF do you think you are? Who died and left you king?

In light of Ron Paul's vote For the authorisation of force against the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan, it is apparent that he knows who is responsible for 9/11.

He said the US is responsible for it. I heard him say it at one of the debates.

I used to (emphasis on "used to") like and respect Paul prior to his devolving into moonbattery regarding the Iraq War.

No more.

129 posted on 09/04/2007 2:56:30 PM PDT by sauropod (You can’t spell crap without the AP in it.)
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To: ejonesie22
Ping if you haven’t seen this already.
130 posted on 09/04/2007 2:59:20 PM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: SJackson
A clear double standard

Yes your double standards certainly are clear.

Support for RP by David Duke’s website, Council of Conservative Citizens and Stormfront, including links to “meet-ups” at Stormfront, and support from similar sites.

Your logic:
Some white supremacists support Ron Paul therefore Ron Paul is a racist.

The folks at StormFront also like Duncan Hunter. Are you posting this nonsense on the Duncan Hunter threads too?
If not, why not?
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131 posted on 09/04/2007 3:03:15 PM PDT by radioman
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To: wideawake
If someone told me she was mugged three times while shopping in Houston's Galleria district, I would be very suspicious.

So you think she went shopping on the bad side of town? Three times?
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132 posted on 09/04/2007 3:06:53 PM PDT by radioman
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To: wideawake
Sadly for Ron Paul, I am not. He says that the US government did not deliberately plot 9/11, but remains silent on the other Truther claim that the government knew it was going to happen and deliberately chose to do nothing, saying he had "seen no evidence" that was the case.

Sorry, you don't get to weasel out of this one. The quote you used was, "I've seen no evidence of that." Since I can't find those words attributed to Dr. Paul anywhere (the first google hit is this page), I assume you're referring to this interview with Dave Weigel of reason magazine. Here's the question he was answering:

The position of the Student Scholars is that 9/11 was executed by the U.S. government. Do you agree or disagree with that?

So he was answering a question about whether he believed the U.S. government was directly involved (the same question to which he has also replied "Absolutely not", in case you decide to try to go down that road again) not whether they knew in advance. That was a cute try, but as I said, I'm somewhat familiar with the history here. Plus I know how to use Google.

He compounded his ambiguity by stating that there was a "danger" that the US would permit another avoidable terrorist incident to happen in order to justify supposed attacks on civil liberties.

Stop digging. You're in deep enough already.

133 posted on 09/04/2007 4:30:02 PM PDT by JTN (‘We achieve much more in peace than…unconstitutional, undeclared wars’ - Dr. Paul)
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To: radioman
Your logic: Some white supremacists support Ron Paul therefore Ron Paul is a racist....The folks at StormFront also like Duncan Hunter. Are you posting this nonsense on the Duncan Hunter threads too? If not, why not?

No.

You're a liar.

I did not say Ron Paul is a racist.

I did say he tolerates racists, which he does.

Duncan Hunter is supported on Stormfront?

By David Duke?

Willis Carto advertises Duncan Hunter as a columnist?

Duncan Hunter interviews on Cesspool?

Duncan Hunter has racists ghostwriting for him?

I think you're full of cra*, but if you're right, Hunter needs to disassociate himself from these people.

Feel free to address your question to the Hunter people.

So we're clear, yes, I think Ron Paul is comfortable with support from racists, Jewhaters, and assorted anti-war types. After all, they vote.

134 posted on 09/04/2007 8:37:31 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: SJackson
Feel free to address your question to the Hunter people.

No, I'm not going to stoop to your level. I called your BS and raised you. Just fold before you make an even bigger ass of yourself.
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135 posted on 09/04/2007 8:56:35 PM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman
So you think she went shopping on the bad side of town?

Those who read my post know that I explicitly ruled out such an assumption.

136 posted on 09/05/2007 5:15:47 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: radioman
No, I'm not going to stoop to your level. I called your BS and raised you. Just fold before you make an even bigger ass of yourself.

You addressed none of the issues I raised, you simply fabricated a similar charge against Duncan Hunter. Which you can’t support, because you made it up.

The fact remains, Ron Paul is supported by some unsavory people who he has not disclaimed. You called noting, simply slandered another candidate in a “they all do it” driveby.

137 posted on 09/05/2007 7:24:27 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"In closing let me just say, that I don't believe his views represent the views of Congressional District 14 any more. The District, which I live in, is quite considerably more Conservative of foreign policy/defense issues than Ron Paul. "

I'm one district over from Ron Paul's District and I am betting that Ron Paul has seen his last days in Congress. Texans in those parts don't fancy his kind.

138 posted on 09/05/2007 7:30:04 AM PDT by avacado
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To: SJackson
You addressed none of the issues I raised,
LOL!
What issues? The Political Cesspool is a Christian Conservative radio station. Yes Ron Paul was interviewed, along with Ezola Foster who is African-American
Paul Gottfried who is Jewish
Pat Buchanan
Dr. Chuck Baldwin Pastor, Radio Host, Former Vice Presidential Nominee (Constitution Party 2004)
Peter Brimelow - Author of Alien Nation; former editor of Forbes Magazine and National Review
Senator John DeCamp - State Senator (Nebraska), author of "The Franklin Coverup"
William Flax - Legendary Conservative Writer
Jim Gilchrist - Co-Founder of the Minutemen Project
Ray Herrera --- National Rally Spokesman for the Minuteman Project
Shannon McGauley - Leader of the Texas Minutemen
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts - Syndicated Columnist, Former Secretary of the Treasury
And yes, David Duke. They interview anyone who is in the news and even interview musicians, singers, actors and various kooks such as yourself.

What other issues have you?
Ghost writers? Name them.

Are you a liberal?
Your talking points are straight from Rosie O'Donnell...
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139 posted on 09/05/2007 9:33:15 AM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman
What issues? The Political Cesspool is a Christian Conservative radio station

The Political Cesspool is a "conservative radio station" linked as I understand it to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a "conservative" racist group. I presume you condemn the latter, imo a political candidate should avoid that type of venue like the plague.

What other issues have you? Ghost writers? Name them.

That you're not aware of the racist newsletter ghost authored for Paul's newsletter betrays your ignorance, perhaps willful, of your candidate. I can't identify him because Paul hasn't identified him, but he has apologized. Clear evidence

Willis Carto, a prominent neonazi Holocaust denier, advertises Ron Paul as a columnist in his print publication. Are you ok with that? The Citizens Informer published by the CCC prints him as well.

An indicted drug dealer is organizing "meet-ups" for him in Canada. The campaign says that's OK. Is it OK with you? If yes, you can't criticize Hillary for the same thing.

In my view a political candidate needs to disassociate himself from support like this. I fully recognize that others disagree.

140 posted on 09/05/2007 11:01:28 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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