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To: calex59
Their acts of secession were NOT illegal.

Actually they were. To quote Chief Justice Chase:

"When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union."

If you can join a Union you can unjoin it.

Without trying to put too fine a line on things, stated did not 'join a Union'. They were admitted, and only with the permission of a majority of the existing states as expressed through a vote in both houses of Congress. I see no problem with leaving through the same manner.

The North violated the constitution, they were the treasoneous ones because they badgered the South until war was inevitable.

Absolute nonsense.

92 posted on 08/27/2007 6:33:55 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
CJ Chase: 'All the obligations of perpetual union'

Non-Sequitur, if 2/3rds of the states ratify a Constitutional amendment dissolving their union, would you agree that the said union was dissolved?

229 posted on 08/28/2007 12:11:43 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Absolute nonsense.

Sorry, but your post is absolute nonsense. If you join something, and to join it you must be "admitted" to it, you can unjoin it. The states DID join the Union. Simply because a cheif Justice says that they couldn't secede doesn't mean they really didn't have that right. Supremes have been wrong before and he was wrong about the secession.

The states have always had the right, nay, the duty, to secede if the Union wasn't working out. As for the north being the cause of the war, one only has to read the history(real history not revisionist)and you will see I am correct.

Had the north left the south alone slavery would have failed of it's own weight, the states would have still been in charge of their governments, without the feds interference. The war wasn't about slavery per se, but about states rights, anyone can tell that with just a quick glance at history.

The feds wanted to push the south into a war so they could bring them back into the Union, what else would you call that but an act of treason by the feds? They took away the rights of free men to determine the type of government they wanted to live under. Slavery was wrong, but a much bigger wrong(because it has turned out to be a constant condition)was done to the citizens of the south(and to US citizens as a whole)by negating states rights. Believe what you want,but the facts are the Civil War ushered in the power of the big federal government and we haven't shaken it off yet, probably never will. Once the hand of opression has gripped a people it is hard to get rid of.

314 posted on 08/28/2007 6:40:17 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Non-Sequitur

Chief Justice Chase’s whining actually means Texas was never a state.

Their joining the Union was predicated upon the right to secede.


672 posted on 09/04/2007 11:11:08 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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