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To: FreedomCalls

Secession is unconstitutional. There is no enacted law prohibiting, but there is little doubt that Congress could enact such a law (though why it would who knows).

There is no provision for leaving the Union. Once the states agreed to join they were stuck for better or worse.


9 posted on 08/27/2007 1:48:38 PM PDT by tdewey10 (Can we please take out iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
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To: tdewey10
There is no provision for leaving the Union. Once the states agreed to join they were stuck for better or worse.

I disagree. Since approval of Congress is needed for a state to be admitted or for any change in their status or borders after admission, then by implication there is no reason why a state can't leave with the approval of Congress as well. In his Texas v. White decision, Chief Justice Chase seemed to hold out that possibility.

12 posted on 08/27/2007 1:53:47 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericks-burg. Support CVBT.)
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To: tdewey10

“Once the states agreed to join they were stuck for better or worse”.
In other words, the U.S. is like the Mafia or MS-13, once you’ve joined you can never leave.
The United States of Hotel California.


14 posted on 08/27/2007 2:00:23 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: tdewey10

“There is no provision for leaving the Union. Once the states agreed to join they were stuck for better or worse.”

The second statement does not follow from the first.

One simplistic but fair reading would be that since there is no provision for leaving the Union, and since all authority not specifically granted to the federal government is retained by the various States, then the States retain the right to leave the Union.


15 posted on 08/27/2007 2:02:07 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: tdewey10
There is no provision for leaving the Union. Once the states agreed to join they were stuck for better or worse.

If this is true, then the Federal government, in fact, does not derive its just powers from consent of the governed. Consent implies something that is given, but can also be revoked.
25 posted on 08/27/2007 2:11:27 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: tdewey10

Please, chapter and verse that proves that secession is illegal. In the US Constitution.


26 posted on 08/27/2007 2:11:31 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.)
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To: tdewey10

Show me WHERE the Constitution forbids secession.
(You can’t!)


29 posted on 08/27/2007 2:13:55 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: tdewey10
your post # 9 is a CLASSIC case of "knows NOT & knows NOT that he knows NOT".

would you care for a "do over", as your post is (to put it as non-controversially as possible) FALSE???

free dixie,sw

46 posted on 08/27/2007 2:36:47 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: tdewey10
Not following here:

"Secession is unconstitutional. There is no enacted law prohibiting..."

Secession is not mentioned in the constitution, it is not prohibited by the constitution, those things not specifically granted to the federal government are reserved to the states...

Where does unconstitutional come into this?

It does not even appear to be illegal, as another has stated - based on your 'no enacted laws prohibiting'.

93 posted on 08/27/2007 6:43:50 PM PDT by norton
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To: tdewey10

“There is no provision for leaving the Union. Once the states agreed to join they were stuck for better or worse.”

That would make the states captives or even slaves. The Constitution is, fundamentally, a compact, or contract. Parties to a compact do not forever relinquish their rights. If a party to the compact breaches its obligations and responsibilities under that contract, the aggrieved party has the right to avoid the compact. The Southern states were the aggrieved party, and they withdrew from the compact.


102 posted on 08/27/2007 7:27:36 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: tdewey10
When we lived in Texas, I was told that when Texas joined the union, it specifically stated that Texas could leave the union if and when it wanted to.

Carolyn

178 posted on 08/28/2007 8:58:50 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: tdewey10
It wasn’t until after Lincoln called for an invasion of the South that North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, and Arkansas left the Union. Several states that remained in the Union reacted to Lincolns call with outrage. The governor of Kentucky contemptuously replied that his state would furnish no troops “for the wicked purpose of subduing her sister Souther States.”The Missouri governor sent a wire claiming that such an idea was “illegal, unconstitutional, and revolutionary in its object, inhuman and diabolical, and cannot be complied with.”

Now you want an unconstitutional act try this one on for size; At the outset of the Civil War, Kentucky’s sympathies were with the South, but when Lincoln guaranteed the continuation of slavery in the Union the state decided to remain neutral.

307 posted on 08/28/2007 4:28:55 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: tdewey10

WRONG! Go back and study up on the Constitutional debates!


486 posted on 09/01/2007 10:37:07 AM PDT by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Thermo-Nuclear Landscapers Inc. "Need a change of scenery? We deliver!")
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