Written, not Ratified.
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We are talking about the very two people you claim to use to support your argument.
No, you pinged me to a post that you had previously made on this thread where it stated:
nor did I know that in 1798, Madison had tried to explain to Jefferson that this was wrong. [my first post concerning Jefferson was in #1064]
You brought Jefferson in, I did not.
Speaking of Jefferson, though, here's his Resolutions Relative to the Alien and Sedition Acts
That they will concur with this commonwealth in considering the said acts as so palpably against the Constitution as to amount to an undisguised declaration that that compact is not meant to be the measure of the powers of the General Government, but that it will proceed in the exercise over these States, of all powers whatsoever: that they will view this as seizing the rights of the States, and consolidating them in the hands of the General Government, with a power assumed to bind the States, (not merely as the cases made federal, (casus foederis,) but in all cases whatsoever, by laws made, not with their consent, but by others against their consent: that this would be to surrender the form of government we have chosen, and live under one deriving its powers from its own will, and not from our authority; and that the co-States, recurring to their natural right in cases not made federal, will concur in declaring these acts void, and of no force, and will each take measures of its own for providing that neither these acts, nor any others of the General Government not plainly and intentionally authorized by the Constitution, shall be exercised within their respective territories.
Sounds to me as if Madison and Jefferson agree on the issue that the federal government cannot authorize anything that is not IN the Constitution.
Now please point out the word permanent, perpetual, continual or any other synonym for eternity in the Constitution that shows that the ability of the federal government to prevent a State from leaving the Union at will is not one of the powers reserved to the States respectively, or to the people by the 10th Amendment.
If it is so obvious in its Original Intent, it shouldn't be hard to find.
“Written, not Ratified”.
Now now MamaT you are all about citations and such. Please make your argument if you can that Madisons intent/explaination/justification re states rights at the time he wrote the letter to Jefferson were not carried out in the ratified document.
“No, you pinged me to a post that you had previously made on this thread where it stated:
nor did I know that in 1798, Madison had tried to explain to Jefferson that this was wrong. [my first post concerning Jefferson was in #1064]”
No, you said you were still looking forward to Madison’s explaination to Jefferson and I provided it.
“You brought Jefferson in, I did not”.
You are right, I don’t know why I did that. It was a letter from Madison TO Jefferson and you wanted citations to back up the author’s assertion that Madison told Jefferson he was wrong so Jefferson doesn’t really enter into it. But I did find the correct ref which you are dodging because the constitution hadn’t been ratified yet.
“Speaking of Jefferson, though, here’s his Resolutions Relative to the Alien and Sedition Acts”
Yep, Jefferson would be pratically the last person I’d cite next to maybe Patrick Henry who hated the constitution. Jefferson was a revolutionary and a good guy to turn to if you want to start a revolution. Not so good when it comes to forming a nation. Notice he wasn’t included in authoring the consitution. He went on though to do the Louisiana Purchase, the biggest federal fiat of the time. Jefferson was all about political expediency and his influence runs through the democratic party to this day. Not my favorite founder.