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Because only the South actually did it. And their acts of secession, while illegal, weren't necessarily treasonous as the Constitution defines it.
Uh-oh - time to crank up the popcorn machine.
Any discussion of secession which analogizes the Confederacy leaving the Union to the US leaving the British Empire is prima facie worthless.
That's the real issue. The Black leadership is not serious about fixing the many problems faced in the Black community but enriching themselves and making themselves power brokers with the liberal establishment. Every problem in the Black community is excused with it's the man's fault and that more money should be poured into their special causes to sooth white guilt and make reparations for slavery. When Blacks like Bill Cosby suggest that many of the problems in the Black community are self caused and should be addressed from within they are vilified. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are prime examples of what is wrong and why nothing is getting fixed.
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The Constitution was silent on secession, yet our secession from Britain was based on that right. Some will opine that secession is limited to when events create an oppressive or intolerable situation. The South was fighting for states rights, however, if you read the ordinances of secession, they cite the primary and proximate cause of the dispute that was going on in the USA. That dispute was over slavery. Many Southern leaders wanted to phase out slavery, and Virginia has almost voted to do so, but there were too many Southerners in denial about the pernicious nature of the institution.
Legally, I agree with this article. Furthermore, I agree that after the Civil War, with the passage of the 14th Amendment and rise in the power of the Federal Government, that States Rights and the 10th Amendment became almost null. However, Southerners have a huge share of responsibility for this loss of States Rights by failing to do away with Slavery. Had the War not taken place, God knows when Slavery would have ended, perhaps into the 20th Century.
That's not what the south said at the time:
"No man, no association of men, no state or set of states has a right to withdraw itself from this Union, of its own accord. The same power which knit us together, can only unknit. The same formality, which forged the links of the Union, is necessary to dissolve it. The majority of States which form the Union must consent to the withdrawal of any one branch of it. Until that consent has been obtained, any attempt to dissolve the Union, or obstruct the efficacy of its constitutional laws, is Treason--Treason to all intents and purposes. . . . This illustrious Union, which has been cemented by the blood of our forefathers, the pride of America and the wonder of the world must not be tamely sacrificed to the heated brains or the aspiring hearts of a few malcontents. The Union must be saved, when any one shall dare to assail it." [Richmond Enquirer, 1 November 1814]
The fact is that the Hartford Convention grumbled about secession among themselves, but the final report of the convention says nothing about it. Despite that, though, the Democratic party used it to bludgeon the Federalists, driving them out of existence within a few years. ""Democratic politicians, seeking a foil to their own mismanagement of the war and to discredit the still formidable Federalist party, caressed and fed this infant myth until it became so tough and lusty as to defy both solemn denials and documentary proof."--Samuel Eliot Morison
>>War of Northern Aggression<<
I once made the error of using that phrase at a party at the Dean of Student’s house at a Boston University.
For the next two hours he brought various visitors over to ask me to repeat the4 phrase so they could discuss it.
That was already weird enough that I didn’t tell them the story of how our Baptist family was limited one swear word by Grand Daddy. He said “damnyankee” was alright to say because it wasn’t really two different words.
secession REMAINS an OPTION to deal with the loss of FREEDOM.
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Conclusion: The South would be missed.
Goose and gander thing?
Rather than have the treasonous states of NewEngland/WestCoast/MidAtlantic leave the Union, it would be more useful to turn at least the 9 eastern liberal states into 3.
Maine+NewHampshire+Vermount= 1 state/2Reps & 2Sens
Massachusetts+RhodeIsland+Connetecut= 1 state/2Reps & 2Sens
NewJersey+Maryland+Deleware=1 state/2Reps & 2 Sens.
Then we honorable Americans might be in a better position to deal with the 3 leftCoast traitor states.
An excellent legal read, the only thing I wish he had included was a solution; for it makes me saddened, and dispared!
That some Northerners supported secession in 1814 does not make it right. Quite the opposite. It proves that the issues is not one of section, but of spiteful special interests who preffer to destroy the nation, rather than risk their positions. In 1814, a subset of Federalists supported secession. They were traitors who should have been hanged, just like Aaron Burr. The Federalist Party suffered for this in the north and all but ceased to exist after 1816 because it was associated with treason.
Havin lived in the South a couple of times it never ceased to amaze me how obsessed some of the locals were with the Civil War. More importantly how they took issue with any from the “North” about how awful you were simply because you were from the “North”. After politely listening to their ramblings and rantings, I would remind of two things.
1. I could NOT possible care any less.
2. Just rember this (as jerked my thumb to my chest) WINNERS.