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Guess What Folks - Secession Wasn't Treason
The Copperhead Chronicles ^ | August 2007 | Al Benson

Posted on 08/27/2007 1:37:39 PM PDT by BnBlFlag

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To: Non-Sequitur; All
laughing AT you, "Mr Minister of DAMNyankee PROPAGANDA"!

it's been YEARS since you posted anything BUT propaganda, deceptions, 1/2-truths & nonsense to FOOL the naive & unwary.

otoh, at least ONE FReeper has "caught you in" several DECEPTIONS on THIS thread alone.

free dixie,sw

581 posted on 09/02/2007 10:32:22 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
otoh, at least ONE FReeper has "caught you in" several DECEPTIONS on THIS thread alone.

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass.

582 posted on 09/02/2007 10:34:20 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
in other words, you ADMIT that you've been CAUGHT on this thread trying AGAIN to deceive the naive & unwary???

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

583 posted on 09/02/2007 10:43:36 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
can you point out WHERE in the Constitution that it states that the USSC or for that matter ANY court can declare ANYTHING constitutional or UNconstitutional???

the FIRST time that the supremes decided to do that, they should have been "slapped down" & "slapped down HARD", by the POTUS/Congress. had the Founders done that, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in NOW, with abominations like Roe v. Wade.

the decisions of the courts were NEVER intended to be Holy Writ & did NOT "come down from the mount, graven in stone".(this will be a 'shock to your system", as you are KNOWN to be a WORSHIPER of the courts.)

imVho, we should do at least the following things to END the dictatorship of the courts"

1. change the Constitution to ELECT all judges for ONE 6-year term,

2. ASSURE that never again will any court MAKE laws, rather than interpret those laws &

3. REQUIRE that all judges be subject to RECALL "for cause" at ANY time in their term.

free dixie,sw

584 posted on 09/02/2007 10:54:00 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
can you point out WHERE in the Constitution that it states that the USSC or for that matter ANY court can declare ANYTHING constitutional or UNconstitutional???

Article III, Section 2, Clauses 1 and 2.

585 posted on 09/02/2007 10:59:28 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
care to try again???

more deception on YOUR part.

free dixie,sw

586 posted on 09/02/2007 11:14:39 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Can you point out where the Constitution says that what Gutzman says overrules what the Supreme Court says on what is Constitutional and what is not? Disagree with the decision all you want to, that doesn't make unilateral secession legal when the court said it was not.

What I can do is recognize a faulty decision by the Court.

Shall we rehash our earlier discussion about the Supreme Court decision that said a tomato was a vegetable and not a fruit?

587 posted on 09/02/2007 11:22:37 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: stand watie
care to try again???

No. Article II, Section 2 gives the Supreme Court all the authority it needed.

588 posted on 09/02/2007 11:27:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
actually, your source does NOT state that ANY court can declare ANYTHING Constitutional or UNconstitutional.

so you've been caught yet AGAIN posting a LIE, haven't you????

free dixie,sw

589 posted on 09/02/2007 11:37:05 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
laughing AT you!

free dixie,sw

590 posted on 09/02/2007 11:37:34 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: rustbucket
What I can do is recognize a faulty decision by the Court.

What you can do is say that you disagree with the decision of the court. The fact that you and Gutzman disagree with it doesn't make it faulty.

Shall we rehash our earlier discussion about the Supreme Court decision that said a tomato was a vegetable and not a fruit?

No, because if I recall you're logic was faulty there as well. The Supreme Court ruled that the tomato was a vegetable for tariff purposes, and there is nothing flawed or illogical in that. "Vegetable" is a culinary term and not a botanical term. Tomatoes are botanically a berry, but are considered a vegetable in the culinary world because they are not sweet and are not served as a fruit but are instead served as part of the main course or in salads. Cucumbers, pumpkins, squash, and peppers are all botanically fruit, though are commonly classified as vegetables. Likewise mushrooms are considered vegetables even though they are a fungus, broccoli is considered a vegetable even though they are a flower, carrots are considered a vegetable even though they are a root, and so forth and so on. The Supreme Court decision in Nix v. Heddon was entirely proper.

591 posted on 09/02/2007 11:46:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
given that you posted a "source" in post 588 that is DECEPTIVE at best & an OUTRIGHT LIE at worst, WHY should you be believed about ANY source????

have you been "taking lessons" from "bubba, the LIAR"??? (laughing AT you.)

free dixie,sw

592 posted on 09/02/2007 12:01:23 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
There's simply no getting around this:

Article VI, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

No state had the authority under the constitution to pass any law or make any amendments to their own constitutions which would trump the ultimate authority of the US constitution.

There was no leaving the union under our constitution without the US government passing legislation, or possibly even an amendment, to that effect because the sovereignty of the federal government could not be abrogated without the federal government's permission.

The Supremacy clause also gives the Supreme Court the power to determine constitutionality of acts of the states and federal government because it can determine which federal laws and acts are proper under the authority granted to them by the constitution and which state laws are made contrary to the constitution. It's really not that complicated.

There were two choices for the South if they wished to leave the Union:

(1) they could negotiate their way out or
(2) they could fight their way out

They chose to fight, and they lost.

593 posted on 09/02/2007 12:08:30 PM PDT by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: stand watie
given that you posted a "source" in post 588 that is DECEPTIVE at best & an OUTRIGHT LIE at worst, WHY should you be believed about ANY source????

Are you saying that the Constitution does not contain an Article III, Section 2? Or that section does not contain a clause 1 or clause 2? Are you admitting that you haven't the faintest idea of what 'jurisdiction' means? Or are you just demonstrating your general ignorance?

594 posted on 09/02/2007 12:12:14 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: r9etb
btw, the so-called "declarations" were NEVER official documents in ANY state. they were simply the rantings of a FEW slave-OWNERS.

furthermore, FEW people (except the AUTHORS) read the 'declarations' and/or CARED what the slave-owners thought was important. as i've said numerous times, the 5-6% of northerners/southerners, who owned slaves/were IN "the flesh trade" were a LOUD but tiny minority.

frankly, the "declarations" tell students of the WBTS period NOTHING important to an understanding of the WBTS, except what a FEW rich individuals thought was important.

it is posting SILLY, inconsequential, bilge like "the declarations" which tells me that you know LITTLE about the 19th century, the causes of war or almost anything else.

that's why i think you are a "knows nothing" & a joke.

free dixie,sw

595 posted on 09/02/2007 12:25:23 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Blackyce
actually, you are totally wrong.

sorry, "nice try, but no cigar".

go read the 10th Amendement to the BOR & then tell everyone WHERE any state/group of states ceded the POWER/RIGHT of secession to the federal government.(NONE did.)

free dixie,sw

596 posted on 09/02/2007 12:27:55 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
i'm saying that i believe you knowing tried to DECEIVE your readers on this forum, hoping that NOBODY would bother to check your source.

thus, we must assume that you:

1. have a "reading comprehension problem",

2. are incapable of understanding the question i asked you,

3. are DESPERATELY trying to "change the subject" (because you're smart enough to KNOW that you've "caught your tail in the gate"),

4. that you LIED or

5. all of the above..

which is it??? (could it be that the TRUTHFUL answer is #5????)

free dixie,sw

597 posted on 09/02/2007 12:35:34 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
which is it???

Number 2. I don't think anyone is warped enough to understand the slop you post.

598 posted on 09/02/2007 12:38:51 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Tomatoes are botanically a berry, but are considered a vegetable in the culinary world because they are not sweet...

By this logic I guess that a persimmon is a vegetable. No wonder I didn't like the Northern cooking I was subjected to in college.

... and [tomatoes] are not served as a fruit

You've never eaten a tomato as a fruit? (And, no, I'm not insinuating that you are a fruit. I leave such observations about you to other posters.) I guess I'll have to give up eating cherry tomatoes by themselves.

It is the scientist in me that is objecting to calling a tomato a vegetable, which it is not. It has seeds and develop from the reproductive part of the plant, therefore botanically it is a fruit regardless of what the Supreme Court says. (Did Chase make the tomato ruling too?)

Cucumbers, pumpkins, squash, and peppers are all botanically fruit

Correct. "... botanists will call them fruits because they develop from the reproductive structures of plants. From the Cornell Department of Horticulture." Source and Definitions.

IMO, if Congress or the regulatory agency wanted to tax tomato imports, they should have listed tomatoes as taxable rather than say "tax vegetables." The Supreme Court simply compounded the error.

I can't wait for our seedless grape argument.

599 posted on 09/02/2007 1:00:07 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: 4CJ

Do you really think that even if you packed SCOTUS with the most strict constructionist jurists that they would not unanimously rule it unconstitutional if a state tried to secede?


600 posted on 09/02/2007 1:09:29 PM PDT by Delacon
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