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To: RobFromGa
Naysayers railing against the FairTax become, ipso facto, defenders of the INCOME TAX system. Prof. Larry Kotlikoff believes that the current tax system IS bringing the country to nothing less than an "economic meltdown" by virtue of the invisibility of actual taxes paid. If Americans do not understand the true cost of their government, they're unlikely to hold Congress accountable - thus the enabling mechanism to continued profligate spending.

Even with the foregoing notwithstanding, do FairTax naysayers really believe:

• Workers love having their pay confiscated, hourly, through gov't withholding and don't mind getting their money back by involuntary servitude - to the tune of 50 hours/year (on average) - preparing an annual tax return?

• That certifying the number of persons in your family (annually, and, ancillarily, upon change in household) is an abrogation of our freedom - more intrusive and complex than filing a tax return every year subject to threats and intimidation by theIRS.

• It's better to have theIRS fishing through citizens' income transactions (complete with audits, interest, penalties, and threats against individuals, families, businesses as well as confiscation of their homes, property, and bank accounts) rather than - Gawd forbid - issuing a gov't check to an individual (while pretending that Social Security payments disbursement logistics really can't work for "prebates")?

• That an monthly advance tax rebate is the same thing as "being on the dole" ? (Only lobbyists, special interests, and business deserve "handouts" ? - the politician gets a payoff from a lobbyist, the lobbyist gets a payoff from its client, and the citizen gets higher taxes and/or prices that pay for it all.)

• "Hidden taxes" in higher prices are fine because they're not "taxes," per se? (Hey, forget that families are really paying business's costs for complying with a business income tax code - staff, consultants, submittals, etc.)

• It's far better to have a gargantuan tax collection "service" in Washington, than to have 50 decentralized, smaller, leaner state collection agencies collecting taxes from fewer sources?

• That the work by notable economists (paid tens of millions of $'s by Americans for Fair Taxation) doesn't carry weight because it was paid for by private funds instead of some gov't / quasi-gov't enterprise?

• That FairTax's backing by many economists doesn't carry any weight because (the Brookings') Wm Gale's testimony before the President's Commission on Tax Reform is - somehow - above all that?!

(NOTE: The Commission/Gale made up their own "consumption tax" requirements, as if that constituted a legitimate rebuke of the FairTax plan. Dr. Kotlikoff has requested - but never received - Gale's technical "modus operandi" which would definitively explain just how Gale's conclusions can be reconciled with Kotlikoff's well-documented technical work.

Let us work, together, to end the enslavement of the Tax Code and to restore Liberty to America's working families.

America's working families are paid because the companies they work for sell goods and services. Let's pay for government the way America's families are paid - when something is sold.
207 posted on 08/27/2007 6:45:03 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Bigun

If only the FairTax could work to collect the amount of revenue that the government needs to run on, while not collapsing our economy at the same time, then all the high-falutin’ rhetoric might be meaningful.

Since the FairTax is a fraud, your high-falutin’ rhetoric is glossy lipstick on a big ol’ pig.


209 posted on 08/27/2007 6:50:42 PM PDT by RobFromGa (It's the Spending, Stupid! (not the method of collection))
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To: Bigun
Naysayers railing against the FairTax become, ipso facto, defenders of the INCOME TAX system.

Not at all.

Prof. Larry Kotlikoff believes that the current tax system IS bringing the country to nothing less than an "economic meltdown" by virtue of the invisibility of actual taxes paid. If Americans do not understand the true cost of their government, they're unlikely to hold Congress accountable - thus the enabling mechanism to continued profligate spending.

That I can agree with. Now all we have to do is fix the Fair Tax concept so we can accept it.

Is that so hard or are the Fair Tax advocates so wedded to this flawed concept that they can't see any way to improve it?

That an monthly advance tax rebate is the same thing as "being on the dole" ?

It is for the large number of people who will not end up earning or spending beyond that.

Let us work, together, to end the enslavement of the Tax Code and to restore Liberty to America's working families.

I agree. Fix the obvious flaws in the Fair Tax and I'm on board.
221 posted on 08/27/2007 7:49:04 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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