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To: redgolum
I don’t accept your causal equation. The idea that we forced Russia into acting as they always have is way off base. Just as the idea that the Soviets “felt surrounded” was off base.

If we hadn’t moved NATO forward by accepting the membership of nations fearing a revival of Russian aggression, those states would now be getting the full force of Russian bullying to fall back into the sphere of Russian dominance.

Ask the Poles and Hungarians if they desire to face the Russians alone.

9 posted on 08/27/2007 5:42:07 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: SampleMan

. . . and ask the Serbs if they want to face America alone.

Georgia has the same issue: an ethnic minority in a country that is an ethnic majority in a region of that country that wants to be independent.

The US and the Bush administration have maintained the Clintonista policy towards Kosovo, to the utter and complete shame of our country.

Russia is quite rightly asking why ethnic *Russians* should be less important to Russia than ethnic Albanians to America.

Let’s go ahead and look for a *real* reason to be upset with Russia. Russia is applying the same standard to its own people in Georgia that the US is applying to a group of Albanians in Kosovo. I just don’t see how that can possibly be a surprise to anyone.


11 posted on 08/27/2007 6:35:55 AM PDT by cizinec
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To: SampleMan

When the USSR put missiles in Cuba, we got a bit upset. Likewise, Russia is a bit nervous having use surround them with bases.

We haven’t been very kind to some of the interests lately (which is fine, they haven’t been kind to ours), so it is inevitable that they would react this way.


21 posted on 08/27/2007 4:51:43 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SampleMan
Just as the idea that the Soviets “felt surrounded” was off base.

Maybe you ought to read more Russian history. Russians have VERY good reasons for "feeling surrounded" considering the number of times their nation has been invaded.

25 posted on 08/28/2007 11:12:49 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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