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US Sikhs angry over turban plan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6963314.stm ^

Posted on 08/26/2007 11:51:08 AM PDT by traumer

US Sikh organisations have expressed anger over changes allowing airport security staff to "pat down" turbans.

Until now turbans have been searched or removed only to resolve an unexplained alarm from an airport metal detector.

But now security will have greater discretion to inspect turbans so that they can be manually checked for objects such as non-metallic weapons.

However Sikh groups have responded to the new measures by describing them as outrageous and discriminatory.

Sikh men wear turbans to cover their hair, which they leave uncut in accordance with their religion.

Organisations representing Sikhs have only recently completed a publicity campaign to explain the significance of the kirpan, or religious sword, to security officials.

The Transportation Security Administration insisted the new policy was necessary to counter the threat of improvised bombs and chemical weapons.

In Britain, the government said recently that private searches of turbans might be necessary as part of airport security.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airportsecurity; sikhs; tsa; turbans
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1 posted on 08/26/2007 11:51:10 AM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

Tango Sierra, laundry-heads.


2 posted on 08/26/2007 11:54:38 AM PDT by paddles
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To: traumer

Don’t like it? Go Greyhound.


3 posted on 08/26/2007 11:55:36 AM PDT by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: traumer
I'm old enough to remember simply purchasing a ticket and boarding the plane. It seems a lifetime, but it happened into the late 70's.

Having gone from that to having to remove my shoes and loosen my belt, I find it hard to feel sympathy for anybody feeling "culturally entitled" to a turban. Sorry.

4 posted on 08/26/2007 11:56:21 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: traumer

Let’s get real on this one.
People wearing Turbans in the West are almost exclusively Sikhs. Sikhs are good people and fought Muslims for ages.
It’s unfortunate their Turbans make them look like Muslims.

Most Muslim terrorists in the West wear Western clothes. This was true for 9/11, that was true in London, Madrid etc.

Wahhabi Sunni Arab Muslims (and that’s most of the terrorists here) don’t wear Turbans. They wear little knitted skull caps or “sheets”. Sunni Clerics also don’t wear Turbans but funny conical hats or again skullcaps or sheets.

Shia Terrorists are almost always in Western attire and the only Shias wearing Turbans are the clerics, who wear an long caftan and cape. They are easily discernible from Sikhs.

The only Muslim people really wearing Turbans are Pakistani/Afghani Taliban. But I have never seen them in this traditional attire in the West. As I said Terrorists with Turbans at an Airport is a extremly unlikely event.


5 posted on 08/26/2007 11:59:31 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: VR-21

Look #5


6 posted on 08/26/2007 12:00:09 PM PDT by SolidWood
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To: traumer
Personally, if muzzies started acting up around me, I'd be quite pleased to have some Sikh's to assist in giving them a massive beat down.


7 posted on 08/26/2007 12:00:39 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: traumer

My religion provides for self preservation by checking for concealed bombs


8 posted on 08/26/2007 12:01:21 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: traumer

Would it be more palatable to the Sikhs if someone told them that the authorities are worried more about Muslims dressing up in Sikh attire and packing explosives?

Security is far more important than dress codes and the likes.

In these days, explosives that are hard to detect without intrusive examination, can be availed by terrorists. It is a very reasonable proposition for agencies to be allowed to search passengers in the most detailed way possible.


9 posted on 08/26/2007 12:01:47 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: VR-21

I have to agree. Sikhs are really touchy about their turbans, but everybody has to put up with this kind of thing now.


10 posted on 08/26/2007 12:01:51 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: SolidWood
So don't search turbans and terrorists will wear them.
11 posted on 08/26/2007 12:02:30 PM PDT by jimboster (fROM)
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To: traumer

Have them take them off and run them through the X-Ray machine. Problem solved.


12 posted on 08/26/2007 12:04:38 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism now.)
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To: VR-21

I remember around 1995 or 96 I ran into the airport terminal at the Sacramento Metro (now International) Airport and asked the ticket guy if I could go on the plane because I had something important for one of the passengers.

Actually, I was taking my soon-to-be boss some Mrs. Fields Chocolate Chip Cookies in a brown bag.

They never even questioned what I had in the bag or looked at my i.d. or anything.

I went onboard and handed my prospective boss the bag of cookies. And oh, by the way, I did get the job.

But then Clinton was president and we were all safe! (sarcasm)


13 posted on 08/26/2007 12:04:40 PM PDT by bethtopaz (A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you hav)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Would it be more palatable to the Sikhs if someone told them that the authorities are worried more about Muslims dressing up in Sikh attire and packing explosives?

Excellent point about a genuine security concern.

14 posted on 08/26/2007 12:04:49 PM PDT by dighton
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To: SolidWood

Sadly, one of the few people killed in the largely non-existent “anti-Muslim backlash” after 9/11 was a Sikh gas station attendant in TX.

Sikh history is quite interesting. They started off as pacifists and only converted to militarism when it became obvious that all pacifism would get them was extermination.


15 posted on 08/26/2007 12:05:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Scratch a liberal, find a dhimmi)
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To: jimboster
Now you are unto something. Well so if we leave out anything it will be used by the terrorists. Seriously, I am for thorough checks at airports. But proper background checks and profiling of Muslims in addition to body inspections of all passengers makes more sense than singling out Sikhs who wear Turbans.
16 posted on 08/26/2007 12:06:41 PM PDT by SolidWood
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To: stm
Have them take them off and run them through the X-Ray machine. Problem solved.

It's not that easy. That turban ain't one piece like a ball cap. It's one looooooonnnnng piece of cloth wrapped wround their head.

17 posted on 08/26/2007 12:08:42 PM PDT by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: hometoroost
Don’t like it? Go Greyhound

Or start a Sikh Airlines.

18 posted on 08/26/2007 12:09:06 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: traumer
Couldn't care less.If you fly,you're searched.

Everywhere!

19 posted on 08/26/2007 12:09:39 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: uglybiker

If I am not totally off, I think it’s six metres.


20 posted on 08/26/2007 12:10:00 PM PDT by SolidWood
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