Asterisk-Free Libertarianism--The Constitution For Dummies (i.e. Ron Paul Supporters)

Liberty Reborm ^ | 8-26-07 | JJ Jackson

[SJackson]

Or maybe he’s just gotten people to support him by rattling off the federal agencies he wants to abolish and by talking about resepecting the 2nd amendment. But, hey, I bet keeping the IRS around to practice legalized theft and infringing upon our natural right to defend ourselves can be good, solid conservative positions. Just ask Sean Hannity, the party whore.

And he has formal plans developed by his advisors to streamline the federal government, and to finance the government on the 10%-15% or so of revenues left after aboloshing the income and social security taxes, which are unconstitutional, doesn't he.

Ron Paul is a collection of soundbites, and yes, soundbites alone are enough for some people.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

I saw the letter to the editor explaining Paul’s hypocracy

There is no hypocrisy. The earmark thingy has been debunked millions of times here.

For someone who supposedly can't win, you sure spend a lot of time worrying about him.

[SJackson]

Who’s your non-hypocrite choice for prez?

Stated on other threads, and irrelevant to the discussion. I'm not of the opinion that most politicians aren't hypocrital on numerous occasions.

[MichiganConservative]

Stated on other threads,...

Well, I wasn't there. I'm here. Who? And who is less hypocritical, in you opinion?

[SJackson]

There is no hypocrisy. The earmark thingy has been debunked millions of times here. For someone who supposedly can't win, you sure spend a lot of time worrying about him.

We disagree on that.

You're entitled to your opinion.

I'm not, I'm a stealth Hillary supporter.

Extremely Extreme Extremist, good name.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Naah, there's an undercover movement here at FR.

There is no such thing. You simply can't comprehend that there are folks who don't want to kiss the ring of the party's annointed.

Used to be the accusation was trying to nominate Giuliani, now it's trying to elect Hillary.

I've never seen any posts or threads of Paul supporters accusing other FReepers of this. If there are, please provide the links. The only posts I've seen are those who refute the lie that "Giuliani is the only one who can beat Clinton."

Maybe both. Anyone who doesn't support Paul is a Giuliani or Hillary supporter.

Again, not true, just more projection on your part. I respect the choices of other FReepers other than Giuliani & Romney supporters.

[hinckley buzzard]

It is a cult. Ron Paul’s wrapped up the True Believer vote.

Pretty much sums up the Ron Paul phenomenon in its entirety. Truly insignificant.

[MichiganConservative]

I don’t think Dennis Kucinich is very hypocritical. He’s an out socialist. Vote for him.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

We disagree on that. You're entitled to your opinion.

Not opinion. The facts demolishing the earmark lie have been posted by FReeper George W. Bush a million times. You're just not interested in the facts, that's all.

I'm not, I'm a stealth Hillary supporter.

Never said you were.

[MichiganConservative]

... soundbites alone are enough for some people.

LOL. Soundbites are enough for 99.9% of Americans.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Pretty much sums up the Ron Paul phenomenon in its entirety. Truly insignificant.

Apparently you've missed the Houston Chronicle's story today explaining how Paul is getting a wide cross-section of support.

You guys can dismiss Paul at your own peril, but he's going to have a major impact on the primaries.

[SJackson]

Well, I wasn't there. I'm here. Who? And who is less hypocritical, in you opinion?

There's not all in yet, but likely Hunter or Thompson though I like Gingrich.

I look forward to your Hunter/Thompson examples of hypocracy, deflecting criticism from Paul.

I answered your question, can you answer mine? Wikipedia, though not my favorite source, suffices for this exercise.

Paul and his supporters declare the income and social security tax unconstitutional. What are his plans for running the government after stripping around $2.2 trillion out of the governments $2.4 trillion revenue stream. Simply ceasing social security benefits (and his supporters say he won't do that) won't do it. How will he protect the country without a military? Any serious thought given to these minor inconveniences? Who are his economic advisors?

BTW, if he wan't to balance the budget, we have no revenue at all.

And if you're going to tell me flat (income) tax or fair (sales) tax, let's play the Roon Paul supporter game and please, provide the precise location of the word flat or sales in the Constitution.

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United States federal budget, 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget,_2006

Total Receipts

Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2006 are $2.2 trillion. This expected income is broken down by the following sources:

• $966.9 billion (44.4%) - Individual income tax
• $818.8 billion (37.6%) - Social Security and other payroll taxes
• $220.3 billion (10.1%) - Corporate income tax
• $75.6 billion (3.5%) - Excise taxes
• $26.1 billion (1.2%) - Estate and gift taxes
• $28.3 billion (1.3%) - Customs duties
• $41.6 billion (1.9%) - Other

[edit] Total Spending

The President's budget for 2006 totals $2.6 trillion. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:

• $544.8 billion (20.90%) - Social Security
• $512.1 billion (18.00%) - Defense
• $359.5 billion (13.79%) - Unemployment and welfare
• $345.7 billion (13.26%) - Medicare
• $268.4 billion (10.30%) - Medicaid and other health related
• $211.1 billion (8.10%) - Interest on debt
• $88.7 billion (3.40%) - Education and training
• $70.7 billion (2.71%) - Transportation
• $68.4 billion (2.62%) - Veterans' benefits
• $43.1 billion (1.65%) - Administration of justice
• $38.4 billion (1.47%) - Foreign affairs
• $31.2 billion (1.20%) - Natural resources and environment
• $26.0 billion (1.00%) - Agriculture
• $24.0 billion (0.92%) - Science and technology
• $19.1 billion (0.73%) - Community and regional development
• $17.8 billion (0.68%) - General government
• $2.1 billion (0.08%) - Energy

[edit] Adjustments

• -$69.8 billion (2.68%) - Undistributed offsetting receipts

[edit] 2006 Deficit Estimate

(The amount that government spending exceeds total receipts)

• $390 billion (14.96%)

[caltrop]

"Ron Paul is a collection of soundbites, and yes, soundbites alone are enough for some people"

He's got a voting record he can be proud of. Most of the Ron Paul supporters I meet are familiar with and impressed by it.

I'd have to agree with you on some people, however. The notion that Guiliani can get anyone to buy the idea that he isn't a strong opponent of the 2nd Amendment is astonishing.

[SJackson]

It's funny how you guys will trash Paul but then fret deep down that he doesn't run 3rd party, knowing that he'll easily throw the election to Hillary.

Right, directed to me that in know way suggests I'm a Hillary supporter, only that I want to throw the election to her.

And you know perfecty well that the same "charge" has been made about Giuliani.

[Rudder]

...border security or trying to install leftist dictators... have nothing to do with my opinion either Carter or Paul.

You need to call your daddy Jim for help on understanding this one. It's over your little head.

[SJackson]

I don’t think Dennis Kucinich is very hypocritical. He’s an out socialist. Vote for him.

Since we're discussing moonbat candidates, that makes sense. After all, like Paul, Dennis is winning the moonbat vote.

Dennis Kucinich Beating Ron Paul in Online Poll

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?storyid=21531&ret=Default.aspx

Washington D.C. 8/25/2007 9:59 AM GMT (FINDITT)

USAElectionPolls.com is currently holding an online straw poll on the front page of its website. The questions is worded "Who do you want to see as president? (Reps and Dems)".

Dennis Kucinich is leading the Democrats by a 3:1 margin over Barack Obama.

Ron Paul has a commanding 5:1 lead over Mitt Romney.

If it was a head to head bout, Dennis Kucinich would be beating Internet Phenom Ron Paul.

Go to http://www.usaelectionpolls.com.

[svcw]

and a strong national defense centered on America’s interests

Do you have evidence for that statement?

[allmendream]

“Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty” Samuel Adams

A companion quote to your tagline. And one of the main reasons I couldn’t vote for a ‘disengagement’ candidate like Ron Paul (even without the coddling of ‘truthers’ whose postmodernist and anti-American view of history must be snubbed out as harshly as Parker and Stone did, with ridicule).

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

You need to call your daddy Jim for help on understanding this one. It's over your little head.

There's no comparison between Paul & Jimmy Carter.

The fact that you had to resort to such a specious comparison in the first place means you're unable to come up with any legitimate disagreements on Paul.

[elhombrelibre]

Ron Paul’s willingness to capitulate to al Qaeda in Iraq, and to be their willing apologists, doesn’t make him sound like an American who’d defend our heritage. He’s a new age phenomena, like AIDs, not someone who can claim to be an ideological descendant of our founding fathers.