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Tensions mount over Navy jet noise
keysnews.com ^ | Sun. Aug 26,2007 | Timothy O'Hara

Posted on 08/26/2007 5:00:52 AM PDT by jsh3180

As another type of fighter jet is about to begin training over the Navy base on Boca Chica Key, little has been done to resolve neighbors' concerns about the current class of fighter jets that pilots fly while training there.

Nearly two months ago, the Navy promised to hold a public meeting to discuss changes to its Air Installation Compatible Use Zones, so-called "AICUZ maps" that show areas of high noise and accident potential, where development is dissuaded.

No meetings have been held.

The Navy in July asked the County Commission to approve the maps and set land-use guidelines that would restrict development in the high noise and accident areas. The board declined at the recommendation of Growth Management Director Andrew Trivette. Instead, County Commissioner Dixie Spehar asked the Property Appraiser's Office to create online maps or tag properties in the offending zones.

That has not been done, either.

Some residents who live around the base are increasingly frustrated by the noise, and the issue has attracted the attention of the Keys-based environmental group Last Stand, which successfully has sued the local, state and federal government on various issues regarding endangered species and quality of life.

An attorney for Paul Caruso, who organized the Lower Keys group Stop The Planes, has been in discussions with attorneys in Virginia who filed a lawsuit to block jet training at the Oceana Naval Air Station in Virginia Beach. The suit ended with a settlement and the Navy agreeing to pay $34 million to 2,100 homeowners, who claimed the 1998 arrival of the F/A-18 Hornets had devalued their homes and subjected them to substantially louder noise.

Key West attorney Bob Goldman, who represents Caruso's group, has "not ruled out filing a lawsuit," he said.

The issue also has raised concerns about fairness and socioeconomic discrimination, as jets fly over mobile-home park and blue-collar neighborhoods on Stock Island, but no longer over tony properties in Key Haven. The Navy contends the maps were changed to more accurately reflect where pilots actually fly — having been instructed for decades not to fly over more residential areas, like Key Haven.

The Property Appraiser's technicians have discussed online maps and tagging properties, but are awaiting more information from Navy officials, Computer Department Supervisor Rob Shaw said Friday. If the Navy and county maps line up, the project could take a week to complete, Shaw said. If they don't, the process could take a month.

Retired Navy pilot and Key Largo resident John Hammerstrom last week issued a report that is critical of the Navy's handling of the map changes and questions whether the Navy fulfilled all of its environmental impact requirements before making the changes. Of the 1,000-page report about the F/A-18 Super Hornets — an upgrade that arrived in Key West in 2004 — and their impact on neighborhoods along the East Coast, "Key West was not evaluated," Hammerstrom wrote.

The report calls for better dialogue between the Navy, county and area residents, and asks the Navy to "appoint a well qualified AICUZ officer and launch a sincere community outreach program (expressly not a public relations campaign) to address the very real concerns of their host," the report reads.

"The Navy has not yet done their part to inform the public of the increased noise and what can be done about it," Hammerstrom said. "Anecdotal evidence indicates that the noise is spilling over the published noise zones. Many folks who bought outside of the AICUZ are now effectively inside it. The county and the Navy have a terrific, but short-lived opportunity to seek common ground and defuse this issue."

Last Stand received a copy of Hammerstrom's report and discussed it at its meeting Monday. The group did not vote to formally endorse the report, but it has designated a board member to work with Hammerstrom.

"He has a lot of good analysis of the issue," said Last Stand board member Dennis Henize, who has been tapped to work with Hammerstrom. "The issue certainly has our interest. In concept, we agree with his [Hammerstrom's] points."

After issuing his report, Hammerstrom also questioned why Air Force F-22A Raptor planes were invited to train over Boca Chica without being factored into the noise and danger maps. Pilots from the 94th Fighter Squadron at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia are slated to train at Boca Chica from Sept. 14 through 24.

The scale of Raptor operations is not sufficient to require AICUZ revisions, Naval Air Station Key West spokesman Jim Brooks said.

"The F-22 does not conflict with the AICUZ," Brooks said. "The F-22 is a visiting aircraft and its small number of operations at NAS Key West does not affect the overall average for AICUZ noise contours."

Langley Air Force Base spokeswoman Beth Gosselin maintains the jets are not louder than F-15 Eagle fighter planes. However, Gosselin did not have information on the exact decibel level produced by the F-22 Raptors.

"We've found that the number of noise complaints since the arrival of the F-22s is similar to the number received in previous years concerning the F-15," Gosselin said. "Next week we will release our latest AICUZ findings, which are comparable to the data prior to F-22 operations at Langley."


TOPICS: Government; US: Florida; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: f22; jetnoise; jets; langleyafb; nasoceana; soundoffreedom; usn; vieques
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Some here look up as the jets fly over, with a sense of pride and awe. Others just complain.......
1 posted on 08/26/2007 5:00:53 AM PDT by jsh3180
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To: jsh3180
When we were vacationing out in Brunswick, Maine a few years ago, the Brunswick Naval Air Station was in operation. (P-3 Orions)

Some locals would call in to complain about the noise of the planes. (These planes were music to my ears.) The answer they would inevitably get was, "That's the sound of freedom."

Perfect answer!

2 posted on 08/26/2007 5:07:19 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: jsh3180

Just try buying a house in the Keys to discover how “devalued” real estate has become down there.

Trailer lots with absolutely nothing on them are going for stratospheric prices.


3 posted on 08/26/2007 5:09:04 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: Northern Yankee

That’s what I tell my kids when F 15s fly over here, sonic boom, house shakes.
I say “Sound of Freedom” kids!!!


4 posted on 08/26/2007 5:13:43 AM PDT by PinkDolphin
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To: PinkDolphin
Oohhh.... What I would give to hear a sonic boom!

One of the best man made sounds on earth. (Music aside!)

6 posted on 08/26/2007 5:18:47 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: jsh3180

The keys.... Perfect place for a bombing range.Screw em


7 posted on 08/26/2007 5:25:05 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: jsh3180

It’s called the sound of freedom, get over it and yourselves.

If you lived on the land before an air station was contructed you might have a beef. If you bought property near an air station you have lost your right to complain, no one forced you to buy a house there.


8 posted on 08/26/2007 5:25:32 AM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism now.)
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To: Northern Yankee

Well come on and bring the family with you. :D

btw, “Northern Yankee” is there any other kind???? LOL


9 posted on 08/26/2007 5:31:17 AM PDT by PinkDolphin
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To: PinkDolphin
Thanks! We just might... ; )

Nope... Haven't met a Southern Yankee as of yet. Does wonders for conversation though!

God Bless.

10 posted on 08/26/2007 5:40:23 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: jsh3180

Offer to buy the house at market value. If they turn it down case closed. If they sell resell it with a rider in the contract that all future buyers purchase the home with the stipulation that there will be jet aircraft noise associated with the purchase.


11 posted on 08/26/2007 5:58:49 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Northern Yankee

Far as most of us are concerned, “Southerner” is a title to be aspired to.


12 posted on 08/26/2007 6:05:39 AM PDT by PinkDolphin
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To: PinkDolphin

Southerners; sometimes I think they’re the only real Americans left in this country.


13 posted on 08/26/2007 6:07:47 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: jsh3180
Some here look up as the jets fly over, with a sense of pride and awe. Others just complain.......

So true. As a little kid, I remember hearing the awesome drone of B36's flying over my house. I thought it was neat.

14 posted on 08/26/2007 6:10:14 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: john drake

Do you realize that during the revolutionary war a majority of New Yorkers were backers of Britain? Some people just prefer to be ruled. Some don’t.


15 posted on 08/26/2007 6:12:45 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: PinkDolphin
Damn Yankee. :-)

btw, “Northern Yankee” is there any other kind???? LOL

16 posted on 08/26/2007 6:16:16 AM PDT by Salo
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To: PinkDolphin
And a great title it is too!

I've always been charmed by the warm southern hospitality I've encountered when I have been down south. Somthing I always look forward too.

You're a great American!

17 posted on 08/26/2007 6:22:21 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Salo
Now that is funny.

I always thought "Damn Yankees" was a titled reserved for the New York Yankees! ; )

18 posted on 08/26/2007 6:24:27 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: PinkDolphin
We happened to be on vacation in so. Florida, when entering a diner we observed these two F15's coming in for a landing, this was down the road of a mil. base Wow! the sounds were awesome....Proud that we have pilots of this caliber, who are risking their lives so that we can continue complaining ....Go Air Force Go!!!!!

It's true that when purchasing a home one does scout the area..That was the time to resolve the "noise" question.

19 posted on 08/26/2007 6:30:21 AM PDT by ejo
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To: stm

“It’s called the sound of freedom, get over it and yourselves.”

What those Key West wusses need is a series of low level flyovers by the B1’s from Dyess AFB here in Abilene.

They knock pictures off the walls! I am in their flight path when they return to Dyess. When they come over I usually stop whatever I’m doing and go outside to watch in awe. Then I go back inside and hang my pictures back up.


20 posted on 08/26/2007 6:32:22 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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