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Would a Bush Bailout Save the GOP? (FreeRepublic cited)
US News & World Report ^ | August 24, 2007 | James Pethokoukis

Posted on 08/25/2007 12:09:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Edited on 08/25/2007 10:13:31 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: DoughtyOne

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41 posted on 08/25/2007 6:53:48 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Ben Chad

You have no promise of tomorrow.

Even without religion that’s simply a fact.


42 posted on 08/25/2007 6:58:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How not to make a sale, to me at least:

... one scaling Rooseveltian proportions emblematic of the RFC, or perhaps to be more current, the RTC in the early 1990s when the government absorbed the bad debts of the failing savings and loan industry...This rescue, which admittedly might bail out speculators who deserve much worse, would support millions of hardworking Americans whose recent hours have become ones of frantic desperation...And if you're a Republican office holder, you'd win a new constituency of voters—"almost homeless homeowners"—for generations to come. Get with it, Mr. President and Mr. Treasury Secretary. This is your moment to one-up Barney Frank and the Democrats.

Perhaps more people realize now that Roosevelt hurt the economy. Regardless of whether it is personal or political, Barney Frank is one person that you don’t “one-up.”
43 posted on 08/25/2007 7:03:03 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian empire of 21 conquered nations)
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To: Notary Sojac

Good point. WELCOME ABOARD!


44 posted on 08/25/2007 7:04:46 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: DB

But it is accurate to say the problems now are much more than just the subprime market. They may have started there - the schematic might look like: subprime, Alt-a, (bear stearns takes haircut) prime mortgage industry locks up, stock market turns on a dime, then commercial paper freezes up.
And this isn’t acknowledging the subprime exposure overseas which is considerable.


45 posted on 08/25/2007 7:26:16 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: RightFighter

a lot of people are saying “screw the lender” actually, from anecdotal observation anyway. Loaning more than say 80 per cent of market value doesn’t make any sense. That way if the borrower defaults the lender doesn’t take a loss, or much anyway. And there are accounting devices and tax issues that come into play.


46 posted on 08/25/2007 7:40:54 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Notary Sojac

well - housing appreciation has been part of the attraction of homeownership in the US for many years. Truth is most people don’t want a lot of money or at least arent willing to work for it, they are deathly afraid of the stock market because they don’t understand it. You might say they are stupid, and some undoubtedly are, but a house means a place to live and in the past a dependable source of income or equity. It takes guts and hard work to be successful in real estate but undoubtedly there is at least one guy out there livin large at a fully paid house that is the net proceeds of a dozen 0 percent down credit cards and a few savvy flips at the height of the bubble. But even staid Americans have traditionally used the gently rising housing market as a sensible way of making money.


47 posted on 08/25/2007 7:53:04 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agreed. It’s very difficult to learn from one’s mistake if you don’t pay a price.


48 posted on 08/25/2007 7:59:45 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: DoughtyOne

So after taxes rise so that the Federal Government can afford to bail out people whose wages rise insufficiently to pay terrible mortgages, who bails out citizens who cannot afford their taxes, food, and housing expenses simultaneously even if their incomes rise? This sounds like a way to get aboard an endless cycle, and only the banks win.

START

Some people get unreasonable mortgages from banks.

Banks threaten to foreclose on people who cannot pay mortgages.

Federal government pays some people to pay banks for mortgages.

Federal government raises taxes on ALL citizens.

Citizens cannot afford to pay taxes, food, and previously “affordable” mortgages; many employers cannot pay both taxes and wages to citizens, who consequently lose their jobs, making their mortgages unaffordable.

RETURN to START and REPEAT.

Then we have the ancillary effect of people purposely getting unaffordable mortgages because they know that the Federal government will give them money to pay that mortgage. If this phenomenon happens with sufficient frequency, then we effectively untie the nominal price of housing from the costs of obtaining it to many/most citizens. This dichotomy currently afflicts the medical industry, where people get health care, but employers and government agencies (mostly) pay for it. This disconnect worst afflicts those somehow ineligible or unable to pass their cost burden to a third party.

We do NOT want to go down this road, folks; followed to its logical conclusion, it leads to “socialized housing,” wherein everyone resides in the “projects,” howsoever the government tells them to live.


49 posted on 08/25/2007 8:02:50 AM PDT by dufekin (Name the leader of our enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, terrorist dictator)
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To: Freedom4US
But even staid Americans have traditionally used the gently rising housing market as a sensible way of making money.

Well, I guess as a form of very-low-return forced savings housing is an "investment".

But that bears no comparison to the insane housing bubble of 2001-05.

When the value of Krugerrands, Beanie Babies, or tulips goes stratospheric, the average prudent J6P's life is not seriously affected.

But when 1500 square foot houses in middle class neighborhoods start getting bid up to the point where it takes an 90th percentile income to afford one (without a toxic mortgage), we are talking serious damage to our way of life.

50 posted on 08/25/2007 12:17:16 PM PDT by Notary Sojac ("If it ain't broken, fix it 'till it is" - Congress)
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To: CutePuppy

Good points. I suspect it’s also an opening for the left to demagogue as if the “RICH” Republicans aren’t in touch with ‘the people’ and need to be kicked out so someone who is more in tuned can take over.


51 posted on 08/25/2007 1:31:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Dutch Boy

Thanks. And good for you and good for your adult kids. That’s the right track IMO.


52 posted on 08/25/2007 1:38:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Moonman62

Well that’s all rather relative. Interest rates today are quite low by historic standards.


53 posted on 08/25/2007 1:40:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Puppage

It’s sort of like the guy who gets things done. Because he does, he’s always the one asked to do more. Since you’ve been so good at paying yours, pleae step in and pay theirs...

The government will be tempted to take your tax dollars and bail people out. I just think it’s a bad idea.


54 posted on 08/25/2007 1:42:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Guenevere

Thank you.


55 posted on 08/25/2007 1:44:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: dufekin

Your exactly right IMO.


56 posted on 08/25/2007 1:45:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Well that’s all rather relative. Interest rates today are quite low by historic standards.

Rates are too high relative to other rates in the yield curve. And as far as history goes, what period are you talking about? I have a daily history of funds rates going back to 1954 in my other browser window.

57 posted on 08/25/2007 1:55:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

Try looking at the rates around 1977 forward. If those rates are in fact lower than today, I’ll be very surprised.


58 posted on 08/25/2007 2:17:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

Why choose one of the most inflationary periods in our country’s history? If one looks at the entire history of our country a 5% rate is very high. Nonetheless, a current indicator of market rates should be used to determine the funds rate, not historical.


59 posted on 08/25/2007 3:36:57 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

Thanks for the response. I think your overall point is valid as far as how that period applies. It was long enough to cause severe problems though. It’s certainly not something that should be shoved under the rug.


60 posted on 08/25/2007 5:51:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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