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To: mrsmel
The govt is running an illegal immigration system not unlike that which the Mafia would run. Their patrons hire illegals and get rich and the paid-off (via votes) govt officials get their piece of the action. Anyone who stands in their way is defacto illegal until the courts intervenes or there's a revolution.

However, since the beginning history of vigilantes, there has always been a concern that truly illegal acts can emanate from mob action. It is a genuine, historically-based concern. Your vigilantes haven't broken the law, but those who lynched blacks in the south most certainly did. Once people ban together in a group and act without legal sanction they are fair game for accusations.

15 posted on 08/23/2007 10:23:50 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rudder

So neighborhood watch groups are suspect in your opinion?


18 posted on 08/23/2007 10:30:09 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Rudder

” Anyone who stands in their way is defacto illegal until the courts intervenes or there’s a revolution”.

You mean when Rudy continued and even strenghtened NYC’s sanctuary city status????

“Your vigilantes haven’t broken the law, but those who lynched blacks in the south most certainly did” - All I can say is wow......

So Minutemen=Vigilantes=Southern Lynch Mobs.....Do you work for the NY Times editorial board?


19 posted on 08/23/2007 10:30:54 AM PDT by trappedinnj
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To: Rudder

At what point, though, is it necessary for the citizenry to defend their rights, their property, and themselves, when their elected government, blatantly flouts law by not doing so? There must be a point at which we can longer just lay down and be walked on.


20 posted on 08/23/2007 10:31:01 AM PDT by mrsmel (Free Ramos and Compean!)
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To: Rudder
Once people ban together in a group and act without legal sanction they are fair game for accusations.

Yeah, if you're the "Southern Poverty Law Center," or the ACLU.

29 posted on 08/23/2007 1:31:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: Rudder

You continue to refer to the Minutemen as Vigilantes, please provide proof. I’ve been there, and done that, and haven’t seen it.


38 posted on 08/23/2007 4:22:32 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Rudder
Once people ban together in a group and act without legal sanction they are fair game for accusations.

Act without legal sanction??? That's not how our free system works. We do not need legal permission to act -- we are allowed to do anything that is not explicitly prohibited.

That statement exhibits the same misunderstanding of our system as Giuliani does (see my tagline). The government and the Constitution do not spell out the limited number of things we can do -- they spell out the limited number of things the government can do (and the limited number of things the government can prohibit us from doing).

It's not surprising that Giuliani does not unequivocally support the minuteman project -- he fundamentally does not believe in personal self-defense.

41 posted on 08/24/2007 7:27:37 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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