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To: Kevmo
In post #36 there really isn't enough information from the excerpt. It sounds like frame dragging and probably not related to the Modanese claim.
50 posted on 08/23/2007 4:57:02 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi; All

Thanks for the link. Frame dragging would be observable on the order of 1 in 10^12, whereas the Podkletnov/Modanese claim seems to show up observable on the order of 2% of gravitational force or 1 in 10^2.

Here’s what I think: Adding in Electrostatic effects somehow increases the observability. And since it’s such a quirky force, it’s hard to verify it. So we see it pop up in the Podkletnov/Modanese experiments, Dr. Ning Li’s results, Thomas Townsend Brown’s experiments, even perhaps in the cold fusion fiasco. These scientists are playing right on the edge of what is considered a pseudoscience, electrogravitics.

And lo and behold, we see Dr. LaViolette on the Electrogravitics page for wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrogravitics
These electrohydrodynamic devices produce thrust in the air using electrical energy without moving parts. Paul LaViolette continues to champion and publish Brown’s hypotheses and ideas derived from them.

Here’s a fascinating timeline:
http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/500/1/Superconductors-and-Antigravity-—A-Timeline/Page1.html

September, 2002: NASA scientists Glen “Tony” Robertson and Ron Koczor report experimental failure in testing Podkletnov’s original rotating-superconductor experiment. The experiment required the rotation of a $600,000 superconductor built by SCI-Engineered Materials up to 5,000 rpm. NASA was concerned about explosive decomposition from the high-velocity, and abandoned the test at only 200 rpm, calling it a failure.

October, 1999: Ning Li forms AC Gravity, LLC – a University of Huntsville funded startup to investigate the potential for superconductive gravity-modification. Writer Philip Gentry documents her efforts in “Taming Gravity”; including claims by colleagues that they are leaving the University join her startup.

May, 2003: Dr. Ning Li sends a private email to colleagues claiming to have experimentally verified a large-scale AC-Gravity measuring “11-kilowatts of output effect”, and abruptly disappears from public view. (this is her last known public communication)


55 posted on 08/23/2007 11:23:12 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: kinoxi

In post #36 there really isn’t enough information from the excerpt.

Here’s where the full text can be accessed. It’s 28 pages and we already have FReepers complaining about too much information, so I’m only including the links.

http://esamultimedia.esa.int/docs/gsp/Experimental_Detection.pdf

http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=application%2Fpdf&identifier=oai%3AarXiv.org%3Agr-qc%2F0603033

This stuff is propogating throughout the Internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Podkletnov

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism
Gravity Modification Breakthrough Announced by ESA March 2006:
Experimental Detection of the Gravitomagnetic London Moment

Towards a New Test of General Relativity?

23 March 2006

Scientists funded by the European Space Agency have measured the gravitational equivalent of a magnetic field for the first time in a laboratory. Under certain special conditions the effect is much larger than expected from general relativity and could help physicists to make a significant step towards the long-sought-after quantum theory of gravity.

Just as a moving electrical charge creates a magnetic field, so a moving mass generates a gravitomagnetic field. According to Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity, the effect is virtually negligible. However, Martin Tajmar, ARC Seibersdorf Research GmbH, Austria; Clovis de Matos, ESA-HQ, Paris; and colleagues have measured the effect in a laboratory.

Their experiment involves a ring of superconducting material rotating up to 6,500 times a minute. Superconductors are special materials that lose all electrical resistance at a certain temperature. Spinning superconductors produce a weak magnetic field, the so-called London moment.

The new experiment tests a conjecture by Tajmar and de Matos that explains the difference between high-precision mass measurements of Cooper-pairs (the current carriers in superconductors) and their prediction via quantum theory.

They have discovered that this anomaly could be explained by the appearance of a gravitomagnetic field in the spinning superconductor (This effect has been named the Gravitomagnetic London Moment by analogy with its magnetic counterpart).

Small acceleration sensors placed at different locations close to the spinning superconductor, which has to be accelerated for the effect to be noticeable, recorded an acceleration field outside the superconductor that appears to be produced by gravitomagnetism.

“This experiment is the gravitational analogue of Faraday’s electromagnetic induction experiment in 1831. It demonstrates that a superconductive gyroscope is capable of generating a powerful gravitomagnetic field, and is therefore the gravitational counterpart of the magnetic coil. Depending on further confirmation, this effect could form the basis for a new technological domain, which would have numerous applications in space and other high-tech sectors,” says de Matos.

Although just 100 millionths of the acceleration due to the Earth’s gravitational field, the measured field is a surprising one hundred million trillion times larger than Einstein’s General Relativity predicts. Initially, the researchers were reluctant to believe their own results.

Gravitomagnetic induction of gravitational fields

“We ran more than 250 experiments, improved the facility over 3 years and discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making this announcement. Now we are confident about the measurement,” says Tajmar, who performed the experiments and hopes that other physicists will conduct their own versions of the experiment in order to verify the findings and rule out a facility induced effect.

In parallel to the experimental evaluation of their conjecture, Tajmar and de Matos also looked for a more refined theoretical model of the Gravitomagnetic London Moment. They took their inspiration from superconductivity.

The electromagnetic properties of superconductors are explained in quantum theory by assuming that force-carrying particles, known as photons, gain mass. By allowing force-carrying gravitational particles, known as the gravitons, to become heavier, they found that the unexpectedly large gravitomagnetic force could be modelled.

“If confirmed, this would be a major breakthrough,” says Tajmar, “it opens up a new means of investigating general relativity and it consequences in the quantum world.”

The results were presented at a one-day conference at ESA’s European Space and Technology Research Centre (ESTEC), in the Netherlands, 21 March 2006.

Two papers detailing the work are now being considered for publication. The papers can be accessed on-line at the Los Alamos pre-print server using the references: gr-qc/0603033 and gr-qc/0603032.


60 posted on 08/23/2007 11:40:51 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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