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Eroding sovereignty
Washington Times ^ | August 21, 2007 | Frank J. Gaffney Jr.

Posted on 08/21/2007 7:28:55 AM PDT by 3AngelaD

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To: kabar
The political and corporate elites are out of touch

They run the most powerful economy ever. They are in touch with that.

21 posted on 08/21/2007 8:34:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: 3AngelaD
An NAU could be opposed simply because the idea smacks of copying Europeans. Oh, the shame.

Though the idea is bad anyway. The government (de facto and de jure) should be accountable to the citizenry.

In the EU, too much legislation and decrees are passed without much direct control by the average EUer.

Enlarged United States of America.

22 posted on 08/21/2007 8:37:13 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: RightWhale

No state is sovereign that does not control its borders. And no need to be so overbearingly nasty, this is supposed to be a civil discussion, not a slinging match.


23 posted on 08/21/2007 8:37:18 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: kabar

Up to this point in time “We the people” still have control of this country. We will continue to have this control IF we want to excercise this right. If we don’t and if we don’t care about the NAU being our government, then we will loose that right. Remember, many people of Canada and Mexico would love to have our Constitution govern them.....but their governments wouldn’t.


24 posted on 08/21/2007 8:38:50 AM PDT by RC2
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To: 3AngelaD

America does not have borders, it has frontiers.


25 posted on 08/21/2007 8:39:13 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: Deo et Patria
Enlarged United States of America.

You could include Mexico, too (after a lot of work to bring the former up to some sort of parity with other states).

Canada's population is growing, not declining.

26 posted on 08/21/2007 8:40:39 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: britemp
Many EU states have monarchies, but the Vatican is not an EU state (though Italy is).

The Vatican still has yet to join the UN.

27 posted on 08/21/2007 8:41:56 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: lmailbvmbipfwedu

Most Mexicans recognize that they lost the land in the Mexican-American War (and Gadsen Purchase), and even tend to not so much blame the United States, but their own inept government.


28 posted on 08/21/2007 8:44:26 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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Most Mexicans seem to recognize that they lost the land in the Mexican-American War (and Gadsen Purchase), and even tend to not so much blame the United States, but their own inept government.


29 posted on 08/21/2007 8:44:37 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Kindly permit me to edit: ...after a lot of work to bring the former up to some sort of parity with other states...

After a massive transfer of wealth to bring the former up to some sort of parity with other states, while reducing their wealth by the same amount...

30 posted on 08/21/2007 8:46:54 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: 3AngelaD
Even between the United States and Canada, there is about a $10,000 (American) disparity--though with the Canadian dollar close to matching the American one, this probably is changing.

And Canadians pay a lot of taxes.

31 posted on 08/21/2007 8:47:03 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: kabar

So, you type for all illegal aliens? (rhetorical).


32 posted on 08/21/2007 8:48:17 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Addendum: Respecting (or not) sovereignty, is not the same as recognizing sovereignty.

Many illegal aliens recognize that the United States has the right to deport them, and that their illegality is illegal--they merely want that to change (which isn't such a big surprise).

And now, should stop posting on this thread--seems as though potentially one of the only figurative 'comment hogs' on FR.

33 posted on 08/21/2007 8:51:27 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Yes, obviously one of the goals our overlords have decided upon is income leveling among the three nations. They will not be satisfied until we are as miserable as the Mexicans, but where will we go? Canada is already well on the way to socialism, Mexcio is a socialism wannabe but doesn’t have the resources to really put it in place. Of course we are the stumbling block, because we will resist. That is why this is all going on behind the scenes. Read Gaffney’s entire article and weep.


34 posted on 08/21/2007 8:54:06 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Their very presence shows their disregard for our laws and sovereignty.


35 posted on 08/21/2007 8:55:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: 3AngelaD

Mexico comes from a different legal and social perspective. It is my impression that Mexicans tend to be on the socialist side. It would not be a good mix with the United States and would overwhelm us and destroy us. It is my impression that few Mexicans understand the Lockean traditions of freedom, self determination and accountability. (At least the activists are more of the entitlement bendt.)

Also, can you imagine the criminal, social, health, educational probelms we would have to allocate resources toward addressing?

As for Canada, are you prepared to have each province enter as an equal state with the same amount of Senators as New York, California etc. This causes balance of power issues just like bringing in states west of the Mississippi did pre-Civil War. How would that affect our politics?

(I do think that most Americans would not mind folding in Canadians into their nation, but I think the Canadians would probably mind a great deal.)


36 posted on 08/21/2007 9:25:11 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: 3AngelaD

Where are all the “paleocons” who scream about Gaffney being a Trotskeyite or a neocon?


37 posted on 08/22/2007 2:28:53 AM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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