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To: soccermom; samtheman
I just don’t get the hypocrisy of those who would oppose Mitt based on religious reasons, but see nothing wrong with Fred or Newt.[soccermom]

Well, first of all, let me know if Fred announces in his declaration speech that he has his sites set on taking up some divine throne in another world. And then I'll raise some concerns about an apparent power-hungry presidential appetite.

Secondly, I guess this "hypocrisy" is kind of like the "can't-get-labeling-folks-as-bigots-off-of-my-mind" kick we see when they don't similarly label folks like LDS voters who may tend to vote only or primarily for LDS candidates just because of their religion, isn't it?

Wanna explain why a voter who uses religion as a primary or only guideline for voting for a candidate is NOT a bigot? Yet one who may use it as only one of multiple reasons NOT to vote for someone receives the complimentary knee-jerk label of "bigot?"

340 posted on 08/23/2007 10:15:54 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Well, first of all, let me know if Fred announces in his declaration speech that he has his sites set on taking up some divine throne in another world. And then I'll raise some concerns about an apparent power-hungry presidential appetite. Why? Are you afraid you won't get a vote in the afterlife and you'll get stuck with a dictator? ROFLOL! What do you care what someone believes about the afterlife, unless that belief somehow calls for action in this life that impacts you?

Secondly, I guess this "hypocrisy" is kind of like the "can't-get-labeling-folks-as-bigots-off-of-my-mind" kick we see when they don't similarly label folks like LDS voters who may tend to vote only or primarily for LDS candidates just because of their religion, isn't it?" No, this "hypocrisy kick" is about when so-called Christians can't seem to bring themselves to vote for a man who behaves like a Christian because he is -gasp- Mormon, yet they have no qualms about supporting "Christians" who have had more wives than the Mormon! Furthermore, it is impossible to make the argument that LDS members vote "only" or even "primarily" for other Mormons, because there are very few elections that have LDS candidates. Since LDS voters overwhelmingly vote GOP, and apparently have no qualms about voting for non-Mormon religious conservatives, your logic is flawed. They have not said, "I will not vote for XYZ because he isn't Mormon." If they did, the GOP wouldn't have them as a reliable voting bloc. They have been very generous about voting for non-Mormons. Furthermore, the reverse argument does not apply anyway. If someone says; "I'm voting for Hillary because she is a woman.", that may be a stupid reason but it doesn't mean the voter is bigoted against men. If the voter says; "I won't vote for men." then the voter is a bigot. In one case, you're voting for an attribute you like. In the other, you're excluding an entire group, based not on issues or qualifications, but on identity. Got it????

Yet one who may use it as only one of multiple reasons NOT to vote for someone receives the complimentary knee-jerk label of "bigot?" First of all, if one has multiple reasons NOT to vote for someone, then his religion shouldn't even be an issue. But the subject of this thread is his faith. And I have encountered people who say they flat-out won't vote for him because he is a Mormon. No "knee-jerk" about it -- that is bigotry.
362 posted on 08/23/2007 1:35:17 PM PDT by soccermom
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