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Rudy Giuliani's Foreign Policy Plan ("This Man is Batsh*t Insane")
The Moderate Voice ^ | 8/19/7 | By Michael van der Galien

Posted on 08/19/2007 3:30:23 PM PDT by hardback

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To: Reagan Man
>>>>>Abortion: Pro-abortion (liberal, and I agree with him) Then your on the wrong forum. This is a conservative pro-life political forum. We trash liberal abortionists like Rooty and liberalism in general, 24-7-365!

Here's the statement of the founder of FR:

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.
(end quote)

There are 30 issues listed here, and I agree with 26 of them. Does that mean I shouldn't be here? As to your other point...

LOL Rooty is about as liberal as Joe Lieberman and the ACU gives old Joe a 17 lifetime conservative rating.

Why not use an organization that actually uses the same scale to compare the two? Here's Joe Lieberman:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Joseph_Lieberman.htm
And here's Giuliani:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Rudy_Giuliani.htm
As you can see, they're a considerable distance between them.

61 posted on 08/19/2007 7:26:01 PM PDT by Gunut
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To: goldstategop
Liberals hate our military, oppose a national missile defense system and want to talk to dictators. That's their Jimmy Carteresque idea of foreign policy.

I agree, which is why I'm a Republican in spite of my liberal stands on some social issues. Foreign policy trumps abortion.

62 posted on 08/19/2007 7:30:15 PM PDT by Gunut
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To: rockinqsranch
Ya know...I just can’t get excited about a guy that dresses up in womens’ clothes being our President. Something wrong with that picture.

But think of the effect those pictues will have in the Middle East. The Muslim world will be shaking.

63 posted on 08/19/2007 8:10:13 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Despise not the Jester. He is often the only one speaking the truth)
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To: Reagan Man
He also kept NY free of near-tigers

Rudy "They're dangerous I tell you, just like tigers!"

64 posted on 08/19/2007 8:19:21 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Despise not the Jester. He is often the only one speaking the truth)
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To: Gunut; jimrob
Are you for real? Your post at #47 is a big time defense of Rudy Giuliani. You even have the audacity to post: "I couldn't care less about Abortion....".

>>>>>>Here's the statement of the founder of FR:

LOL Yeah, I know it well. So, you're wrapping yourself in the words of a great conservative --- the Founder of Free Republic --- as you attempt to show that you agree with Rudy Giuliani and somehow this makes both you and him politically conservative. Have I got that right? LOL I think so.

Abortion happened to be the one issue I took up with you. Abortion carries a lot of weight with most FReepers, especially with the chief FReeper.

Btw, there is another part to that founders statement.

"Despite the wailing of the liberal trolls and other doom & gloom naysayers, we feel no compelling need to allow them a platform to promote their repugnant and obnoxious propaganda from our forum. Free Republic is not a liberal debating society. We are conservative activists dedicated to defending our rights, defending our constitution, defending our republic and defending our traditional American way of life."

Not only do you defend Rooty you say you agree with him 85% of the time. So you're promoting liberalism on FR.

Along with being an opportunist and an authoritarian who has zero respect for the Constitution, Rooty loves big government and spending the taxpayers money; he's an abortion advocate and a gun control activist; he supports sanctuary for illegals and amnesty for law breakers; he also supports special rights for homos and civil unions. Rooty also believes in liberal global warming bunkum, confiscating personal property and exploiting the events of 9-11 for his political advantage. And he's a liar to boot!

Giuliani is the antithesis of Reagan conservatism.

65 posted on 08/19/2007 8:41:26 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: ml/nj

So, you think it is appropriate for a mayor to override United States foreign policy and treat invited diplomats however they want (even if the diplomat is a murderer)?


67 posted on 08/20/2007 8:47:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: hardback

“The war on terrorism is a big war, one that will most likely last for decades,...”

Probably longer than that. It started back in the 600’s.

It made its greatest advances - Spain, Byzantium, the Balkans, when its opponents were internally divided.


68 posted on 08/20/2007 8:51:31 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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It’s the author of this article who’s “bat****.” My gosh! Say what you will about Giuliani, there can be no doubt — at least for me — about his strong position on defense and foreign policy.


69 posted on 08/20/2007 8:53:26 AM PDT by wolfinator
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To: Reagan Man

It’s been posted around here several times that simply supporting Rudy won’t get you banned; you had to bash other conservatives in order for that to happen.

So that’s not true?


70 posted on 08/20/2007 8:58:25 AM PDT by wolfinator
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To: wagglebee
So, you think it is appropriate for a mayor to override United States foreign policy and treat invited diplomats however they want (even if the diplomat is a murderer)?

Do you know what you are talking about? Giuliani didn't override anything. Do you think Giuliani was obligated to invite Arafat to Gracie Mansion for breakfast? He denied Arafat admittance to a City function. And I believe Arafat was here for some UN meeting. The Federal Government had next to nothing to do with this.

ML/NJ

71 posted on 08/20/2007 9:16:45 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Arafat was an invited guest at the White House and then went to New York for the 50th Anniversary of the UN, Giuliani threw Arafat out of a Lincoln Center event to which the VIPs from EVERY UN member-state had been invited. This was hardly a “city function” other than that it was held in a city-owned building.


72 posted on 08/20/2007 9:30:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wolfinator; Reagan Man

Nope, supporting Rooty Toot won’t get anyone banned, but being a liberal troll will. I know that seems like a very fine line, and it is, but there is a line.


73 posted on 08/20/2007 9:32:47 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wolfinator; Reagan Man
Say what you will about Giuliani, there can be no doubt — at least for me — about his strong position on defense and foreign policy.

What are you talking about?

Do you mean the fact that he was mayor on 9/11 (kind of like how Kerry was in Vietnam)? Should Husband E. Kimmel have been the GOP nominee for president back in 1944?

And what of this "strong" foreign policy, do you mean the "virtual" fence? Is this designed to catch "virtual" criminals? It sounds like a video game to me.

74 posted on 08/20/2007 9:36:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wolfinator; wagglebee

Look at posts #47 and #61 and try applying some common sense. Calling Rooty a conservative on numerous issues and agreeing with him is bad enough. Using the Founders Statement to back up a liberal RINO`s candidacy for Prez, I’d call that crossing the line. Big time!


75 posted on 08/20/2007 9:43:59 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man; wolfinator

I’ve given up trying to figure out FRiberal logic. We had a longtime FRiberal troll get zotted on a thread I started yesterday. The FRiberal seemed to think that conservatives wanted to kill homosexuals and illegal immigrants.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1883415/posts

The Rooty Rooters have still never been able to cite a specific principle upon which Rooty is a conservative (And for the record, the war IS NOT a conservative issue, foreign policy never has been a partisan issue. The left hated Nixon and they hate Bush, so they opposed Vietnam and the War on Terror, but not based on any political principles.)


76 posted on 08/20/2007 9:51:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

That is one of the weakest replies I’ve seen.
Are you suggesting that it was wrong for him to have Arafat thrown out of Lincoln Center simply because other representatives from the UN were there? City function or not, the event was NOT taking place in the confines of an international area but in a public place. And Arafat being an invited guest at the White House has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the man was a cold blooded terrorist who was not welcome in NYC.
I’ve heard alot of craziness on this site but claiming that Rudy was somehow violating some sort of governmental protocol for kicking Arafat’s butt out of an event within New York City limits takes the cake.


77 posted on 08/20/2007 3:29:20 PM PDT by frankiep (Beer - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems)
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To: frankiep

When a person is extended diplomatic recognition by the State Department, that trumps what a mayor thinks. This was not a city function, it was a UN function to which he was invited. I agree that Arafat was a murdering terrorist, but that doesn’t change centuries of protocol.


78 posted on 08/20/2007 3:34:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Reagan Man

lying liberal scumbags like Rooty Toot

Wow. Just wow.

79 posted on 08/20/2007 3:57:38 PM PDT by frankiep (Beer - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems)
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To: wagglebee

Respectfully, I’m no longer going to debate my views on Rudy Giuliani. I won’t persuade you, you won’t persuade me, and each argument risks having the label of “liberal” cast upon me.

So, we’ll just leave it at that for now. Thanks.


80 posted on 08/20/2007 6:45:44 PM PDT by wolfinator
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