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To: doc1019
I do know that the Institute for Creation Research is a legitimate research lab and school with many fully degreed and qualified scientist.

Sorry, that happens not to be the case. Check out their website! (excerpts below).

They are doing pure apologetics, the exact opposite of science.


Tenets of Scientific Creationism



26 posted on 08/17/2007 8:18:52 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

Doesn’t negate their research. As a matter of fact, if you spend time reading their website, you will realize that they have gone beyond basic research to prove their tenets.


28 posted on 08/17/2007 8:30:57 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Coyoteman

Although people are finite and scientific data concerning origins are always circumstantial and incomplete, the human mind (if open to possibility of creation) is able to explore the manifestations of that Creator rationally, scientifically, and teleologically.


“rationally”, the ID boys need some help. Check on Godel’s Theorem - diabolically simple, even though the logical proof, I am told, runs some 70 pages. The simplest example is this sentence: This statement is false. The statement is a paradox - it’s true and false at the same time. Rational pursuits don’t handle paradox very well. Subatomic physics has much that is not rational either.

Can God create paradoxes and use them in biological systems? We demand logical coherence, and that has taken us far, but there may be another realm...


30 posted on 08/17/2007 9:03:22 PM PDT by bioqubit (bioqubit, conformity - such a common deformity)
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To: Coyoteman; doc1019

"I do know that the Institute for Creation Research is a legitimate research lab and school with many fully degreed and qualified scientist."

You [doc1019] seem to be making the mistake of believing that anything a person who claims to be a scientist or who has 'degrees' in a field does is science, independent of the methodology. This is nonsense.

I would like doc1019 to produce some of the 'research' ICR has produced that fits within any reasonable use of scientific methodology.

Processes today operate primarily within fixed natural laws and relatively uniform process rates, but since these were themselves originally created and are daily maintained by their Creator, there is always the possibility of miraculous intervention in these laws or processes by their Creator. Evidences for such intervention should be scrutinized critically, however, because there must be clear and adequate reason for any such action on the part of the Creator."

This single tenet removes all resemblance to science by removing any possibility of predictive tests, falsifiability, and replication of results.

31 posted on 08/17/2007 9:25:56 PM PDT by b_sharp ("Science without intelligence is lame, religion without personal integrity is reprehensible"-Sealion)
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To: Coyoteman
I do know that the Institute for Creation Research is a legitimate research lab and school with many fully degreed and qualified scientist.

Sorry, that happens not to be the case. Check out their website! (excerpts below). They are doing pure apologetics, the exact opposite of science.

Doesn’t negate their research. As a matter of fact, if you spend time reading their website, you will realize that they have gone beyond basic research to prove their tenets.

Coyoteman: Tough sell to those who think this way. To them, evolution is a political movement, not science. Which is a shame, for if only they understood the truth, they could also understand were we stand in the grand scheme of life.

37 posted on 08/17/2007 9:49:46 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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