Giuliani supports the ban on partial birth abortions. He once stated that he wouldn't support such a ban (in 1999), but in May he stated that he does support it. Is he flipping like John Kerry? I don't judge that. All I know is that he has stated that he supports the ban.
Hillary has stated that she is against the ban. Hillary voted against the ban.
Rudy has stated that it would "be okay" if Roe vs. Wade were overturned by a judge. This means that Giuliani believes that leaving abortion to the states is a valid scenario. This is precisely what Pro-Lifers like myself have been hoping for for years. He does believe Roe should be determined in the courts, and that's disappointing...but it is a far cry from Hillary's "abortion at anytime anywhere" stance.
Your point is refuted. Hillary and Rudy do not espouse the same views on abortion. They are in fact very different.
Regarding terrorism, Giuliani has issued statements calling on Democrats to use the term "Islamic Terrorists" when refering to Islamic Terrorists. You also know that Giuliani refused a $10 million donation for disaster relief from Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal after the prince suggested U.S. policies in the Middle East contributed to the September 11 attacks. He has vocally and ubiquitously supported the Bush administration at every turn in The War In Iraq
Giuliani is as far to the right as any candidate on American foreign policy outside the Ron Paul/John Birch/Pat Buchanan wing.
Now listen carefully: Rudy is not the best candidate running. I disagree with the man more than I disagree with any other GOP candidate other than Paul (and Paul's stance on Iraq defines him as a member of the kook fringe). But, if he is elected, he will be beholden to his Party, just as Hillary would be beholden to hers.
Would you rather have a President beholden to the party intent on prosecuting a necessary war, securing the borders and protecting the 2nd Amendment, or a President beholden to Code Pink, The Daily Koz, CAIR and socialized medicine proponents like Michael Moore?
I think the choice between these two are obvious, and in a general election matchup between Rudy and Hillary there is no doubt who is the better candidate and who is more conservative.
Anyone claiming they're the same is blind...that being said, it's important to try to nominate a more conservative candidate than Giuliani in the primaries. He is not conservative enough for my tastes, but he is conservative enough to get my vote if he's running against HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. For crying out loud.
Good post, Chunga.
Please, let’s remember that a Clinton II presidency would not be a linear continuation of a pre-9/11 Clinton I presidency. So many critical things have happened since then, and I believe that a Clinton II rule would be exponentially worse than BJ’s rule.
The stakes for the security and freedom for our wonderful nation - and the free world - are too high to close our eyes to that possibility, and all that it entails.
“Anyone claiming they’re the same is blind...that being said, it’s important to try to nominate a more conservative candidate than Giuliani in the primaries. He is not conservative enough for my tastes, but he is conservative enough to get my vote if he’s running against HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. For crying out loud.”
We survived a Clinton presidency once, we can survive another - she is not the big buggaboo she is painted. Plus, the first Clinton presidency lead to the Republican Revolution of 1994 (which we blew of course). I’m not blind, my “vision” is 20/20. I WILL NOT accept a flawed candidate just because he is nominally a republican. To do so would be to sell out....I can understand pragmatism, but not a complete sellout. Plus, you conveinently ignore his anti 2nd ammendment views plus his blatant support of the legitimazation of Homosexuality.
Regardless of what he calls it (the current conflict), he has no business being the CinC of the Armed Forces that is mainly populated by southerners. He will be hated by the Joes. Clinton is already hated by most except for the whiners (yes sadly there are still many in uniform) that want to cut and run. The strong disdain the military has for her will force her to compromise. Guilani is arrogant and won’t.
Once again, I don’t see Guilani and any better than Clinton, and it may well be that Clinton might do better (heresy I know). Regardless, I won’t vote for either in a General Election. If the party wants my support they will ditch Rudi the Rumpranger.
If you think someone so rabidly in favor abortion that he has supported taxpayer funding of abortion, tried to redefine what a strict constructionalist is and spoken before NARAL is going to nominate a justice to overturn Roe, you're living a fantasy world.
Giuliani's Record on Abortion
As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989
Giuliani said in a speech back in 1989: “There must be public funding for abortions for poor women,” Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. “We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion.”
Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.
On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998
"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999
"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989
On Parental notification, Giuliani says he's for it now. But read this excerpt from a New York Times article written last month:
"On a 1997 candidate questionnaire from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League of New York, which Mr. Giuliani completed and signed, he marked ‘yes’ to the question: Would you oppose legislation ‘requiring a minor to obtain permission from a parent or from a court before obtaining an abortion.’”
As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:
"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.
I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...
Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.
Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."
From the FEC database: 04/24/1999 Donations
NEW YORK STATE NARAL INC WOMEN'S HEALTH PAC
NARAL donated exclusively to Democrat candidates with one exception----Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani accepted $1,000 from NARAL in 1999.
NARAL gave $250 to Hillary Rodham Clinton.
NARAL gave $1000---4 times as much-----to pro-abortion Giuliani.