Rudy Hitting His Stride? {abortionist lover]

captains quarters ^ | 8/16/07 | Ed Morrissey

[fabian]

I believe Rudy would make a good president over Hillary but at this time in our history I don’t think we can afford to lose any republican voters due to his left wing actions as mayor such as gun control. I think Fred Thompson is looking like the solid, no nonsense conservative that we must have to win. We simply cannot afford to lose this time.

[Mariner]

Your issue appears to be that you want a president that will have a litmus test on abortion.

I'd prefer a president that asks only one question of a USSC nominee "Does the Constituion mean what it says"?

Under that scenario, you could have an abortionist as president...who nominates a judge that overturns Roe v Wade.

Social conservatives seem blind to that fact. They would throw the baby out with the bath water.

[calcowgirl]

Hannity loved Schwarzenegger, too. And Rudy and Arnold are two peas in a pod.

"My relationship to power and authority is that I’m all for it," he once explained.
"People need somebody to watch over them.... Ninety-five percent of the
people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave."

-- Arnold Schwarzenegger, U.S. News & World Report, Nov 26, 1990

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every
single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion
about what you do and how you do it."

-- Rudy Giuliani, New York Times, March 17, 1994

[dirtboy]

I'd prefer a president that asks only one question of a USSC nominee "Does the Constituion mean what it says"?

Once again, Rudy thinks a strict constructionist could uphold Roe.

All your blather is done in by Rudy's own words and contradictions. So why do you even bother?

[2ndDivisionVet]

Will he also put a chicken in every pot, a Chevy in every garage, a float in every pride parade and a trigger lock on every (confiscated) gun?

[Chunga]

Rudy couldn't even out-poll Hillary during the 2000 NY Senate race when he was sitting mayor of NYC and she was a carpetbagger wife of an impeached president.

Rudy's outpolling Hillary Clinton nationwide by 7 points, right now.

[calcowgirl]

you could have an abortionist as president...who nominates a judge that overturns Roe v Wade. Social conservatives seem blind to that fact.

Wrong. Conservatives, social and otherwise, don't believe Rudy would be the guy that nominates that judge. His judicial appointment record, as well as his public statements, support that skepticism.

[Saint Louis]

“Your issue appears to be that you want a president that will have a litmus test on abortion.”

I think you’ve hit on the true issue, which reveals the true hypocrisy of that attitude.

Ronald Reagan signed the first law legalizing abortion, never presented a law to ban abortions nor a Constitutional Amendment to end them.

GHW Bush did nothing to change the abortion laws.

W Bush has done nothing to change abortion laws.

Ditto Ford and Nixon.

Therefore Giuliani and Romney are “scumbags”??????

These people know very little about the real world.

[dirtboy]

Rudy's outpolling Hillary Clinton nationwide by 7 points, right now.

Mainly because a lot of Republicans still are unaware of his liberal positions on abortion, gun control, and gay rights.

[bnelson44]

Mainly because a lot of Republicans still are unaware of his liberal positions on abortion, gun control, and gay rights.

That I doubt. It is more likely he is supported in spite of these positions.

[dirtboy]

Ronald Reagan signed the first law legalizing abortion

Only in the cases of rape, incest and health of the mother.

W Bush has done nothing to change abortion laws.

Liar. He signed a PBA ban that was vetoed twice by Clinton. And Rudy supported Clinton's vetoes.

Another Rudy-toot is compelled to lie about the abortion record of actual conservatives to somehow make their liberal candidate palatable. Informed conservatives see right through those lies.

[dirtboy]

That I doubt. It is more likely he is supported in spite of these positions.

Disagree. A poll a few months ago had a fair percentage of supporters of Rudy change their minds once they were told of Rudy's positions on abortion, gun control and gay rights.

[calcowgirl]

Which positions of Giuliani's do you find so appealing?
Do you support any part of the GOP platform?

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Overturning Roe v. Wade	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Varies Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

[Rudder]

Short of getting run over by a truck, Fred will be the GOP’s man, and I think will Hilliary will defeat herself in the general.

[Chunga]

You're not a conservative, you're a naive fool who has bought into the self-fulfilling prophecy that Rudy is the only one to beat Hillary and therefore conservatives should shut up and support him.

I've never suggested that, Extremely Stupid Extremist.

I HAVE STATED THAT I WILL VOTE FOR RUDY IF HE IS THE NOMINEE.

Hunter, Paul, Tancredo and Fred Thompson are all solid conservatives. Fred & Paul in particular can attract independent/swing voters who'll defect from the Democrats.

Hunter, Paul and Tancredo are non-entities. They will not be nominated. Fred hasn't announced. He'll get my support when he does. If he loses in the primaries to Giuliani, I will vote to defeat Hillary Clinton.

AS IN HILLARY CLINTON.

THIS DEFINES ME AS A CONSERVATIVE. AND IF YOU DON'T VOTE AGAINST THE WITCH BY VOTING REPUBLICAN IN '08, YOU AREN'T A CONSERVATIVE.

PERIOD!

[calcowgirl]

Ronald Reagan signed the first law legalizing abortion

Incorrect. Colorado passed a similar law before California.

Your attempts to label Reagan as pro-abortion are inaccurate (and pretty sleazy, IMO). Here's the background of the legislation Reagan signed.

In 1967, a California democrat state lawmaker (Beilenson) pushed to liberalize the laws for just three reasons: to allow abortion in the case of rape, incest, or where the baby might be deformed. (His proposal was also strongly backed by the AMA.)

Governor Ronald Reagan's first response as "Here's an emotional problem that has so many facets of consideration. It is not only spiritual, but also legal... when does life begin? What right does the unborn life have? What legal right? I'm not prepared to answer now."

In subsequent statements, Reagan took great exception to the portion of the law addressing the possibilty of deformity. "I am satisfied in my own mind we can morally and logically justify liberalized abortions to protect the health of a mother. I cannot justify the taking of an unborn life simply on the supposition that the baby may be born less than a perfect human being... [this kind of thing] wouldn't be much different from what Hitler tried to do."

The deformity provision was dropped shortly thereafter. The final statute permitted abortions in the case of forcible rape, incest, statutory rape if the victim was under 15 years old or if there was a "substantial risk" that continued pregnancy would "gravely impair" the "physical or mental health" of the mother.

In subsequent years, the abortion exception was abused by doctors, allowing abortions for a multitude "health" reasons. It was then that Reagan expressed his regret for the law, realizing that the language was too broad. Unfortunately, then it was too late... and Roe v. Wade followed.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>>Your issue appears to be that you want a president that will have a litmus test on abortion.

I want a POTUS who will have a litmus test on one issue, the Constitution. If he supports a strong defense, tax reform, limits welfare state growth, reforms entitlements, promotes pro-life/right to life policies and secures the borders without offering amnesty. Those are the factors I'm concerned about.

Striking down Roe v Wade and sending it back to the states, where it ws for almost 200 yaers, would be a good start in reducing abortions. My personal preference would be to have a Human Life amendment or a Right to Life amendment to the Constitution that says life begins at conception. Something Ronald Reagan advanced early in his Presidency. The former is possible. The latter is less likely at this time, but that doesn't mean pro-lifers stop working towards that goal.

>>>>>Under that scenario, you could have an abortionist as president...who nominates a judge that overturns Roe v Wade.

You're dreaming. That sounds an awful lot like what the RudyBoosters are hoping for. That could get you another Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>>Ronald Reagan signed the first law legalizing abortion ...

Wrong again.

In 1967, Colorado became the first state to legalize abortion in cases of rape, incest, or in which pregnancy would lead to permanent physical disability of the woman.

The 1967 California Therapeutic Abortion Act that Reagan signed was not a law which allowed abortion on demand. It was designed to facilitate difficult abortion cases, such as substantial risk that would gravely impair the physical or mental health of the woman, along with rape and incest.

>>>>> [Reagan] ..... never presented a law to ban abortions nor a Constitutional Amendment to end them.

Wrong again.

Presidents don't present laws. Reagan did support legislation that would allow for a challenge of Roe vs. Wade, while promoting a Human Life amendment to the US Constitution.

[Ol' Sparky]

Ronald Reagan was once a liberal Democrat union organizer whose first vote was for Franklin Roosevelt.

In 40 years Reagan changed and was a fell-fledged conservative while governor of California.

RINO Rudy is liberal and governed as one in New York City less than a decade ago.

How many times are people like you going to delude yourself into thinking a RINO is a conservative?