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To: Bigun
This guy loses credibility when he states (Consumption is what we must tax, not production.) The Flat Tax is a consumption tax. Put down the Kool-Aid and try to educate yourself.
92 posted on 08/16/2007 7:37:34 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare
This guy loses credibility when he states (Consumption is what we must tax, not production.)
That's interesting, I've never heard of a production tax...I'm pretty sure you can produce tax free.
114 posted on 08/16/2007 8:08:09 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Your Nightmare
"-- The socialistic and anti-social character of the income tax is inherent.

Imbedded in the philosophy of the law is the destructive principle, so that once it is in effect the economic and political consequences are inevitable. The principle of the income tax is the denial of private property.

There is nothing in the Sixteenth Amendment, there is nothing in the principle of the income tax, which puts a limit on the amount the State may demand, and hence the implication is clear that the individual's absolute right of private property is denied.

The theory of republican government, that its powers are derived from the will of the people, is no safeguard against this denial of private property.

Assuming that the Sixteenth Amendment at the time of its enactment did express the will of the people, every one of them, the substance and effect of income taxation was to destroy the will of any subsequent generation for modification or revocation.

It is unlike any other law. For the denial of the right of private property is in essence the denial of the right of the individual to himself. He is no longer a free person if he is not free to keep and enjoy the products of his labors. --"

Excerpted from From Solomon’s Yoke to the Income Tax by Frank Chodorov

It is the METHOD of collection that is WRONG WRONG WRONG with and income tax! ANY income tax be it flat, round, or square! If FREEDOM is to be preserved individual taxpayers MUST not have to deal directly with the government in order to pay their taxes! A plain fact that virtually EVERY one of this country's founders understood quite clearly.

How many times must we go over this same ground?

163 posted on 08/16/2007 10:56:23 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Your Nightmare
"What the income tax does is lead the people of this country down a path to where actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government.

The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system.

In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they won‘t, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation."

ALAN KEYES IS MAKING SENSE Television Show Monday, Jan. 28, 2002

167 posted on 08/16/2007 11:02:15 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Your Nightmare
"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess.

They prescribe their own limit, which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed - that is, an extension of the revenue.

When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four."

If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds.

This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them.

Federalist #21

169 posted on 08/16/2007 11:08:03 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Your Nightmare
"A capitation is more natural to slavery; a duty on merchandise is more natural to liberty, by reason it has not so direct a relation to the person." --Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.
170 posted on 08/16/2007 11:10:16 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Your Nightmare
Many inequities are inherent in the income tax. We multiply them needlessly by nice distinctions which have no place in the practical administration of the law.

--William O. Douglas

175 posted on 08/16/2007 11:18:55 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Your Nightmare
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what's happening to him.”

- T. Coleman Andrews, Commissioner of IRS, May 25, 1956 in U.S. News & World Report.

177 posted on 08/16/2007 11:22:21 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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