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Don’t Let the Smoking Police In (And Don't Lick Barbie)
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081507/content/01125111.guest.html.guest.html ^ | August 15, 2007 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 08/16/2007 3:00:02 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084

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To: elkfersupper
The reason government exists is to defend the populace and the borders, maintain the roads, put out the fires, fill the potholes, collect the trash, and then stay the hell out of whatever else it is that the citizens may want to do for fun or enterprise.

Yesterday a couple in Santa Clara were arrested by police and their bail was set at 3.5 million for torturing and abusing a 22 month old boy. The hild was taken to the hospital with 'extensive bruises and burns.'

From the sheriff's deputy:

"There were a lot of bruises in different stages of healing and also some burns on the child's body in different stages of healing," he said. "Some of the photos that I was able to look at with the investigation, they're horrible photos and it pains me that someone would do something like that to a child."

Based on your definition of why a government exists, this couple should be released and their child should be returned to them, because it's none of the government's damn business, right?

61 posted on 08/17/2007 6:12:28 AM PDT by mbraynard (FDT: Less Leadership Experience than any president in US history)
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To: Just another Joe

This is clearly a cut and paste job - unless you source all of this yourself. Can you cite your source?


62 posted on 08/17/2007 6:17:35 AM PDT by mbraynard (FDT: Less Leadership Experience than any president in US history)
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To: elkfersupper; mbraynard
Allowing a child to watch TV is child abuse.

Sending a child to a gooberment skool is child abuse.

Allowing a child to play without all the latest safety equipment strapped on is child abuse.

Neurotically bundling up a child in all the latest safety equipment is child abuse.

Drinking alcohol in front of a child is child abuse.

Let's just get to the bottom line; bringing another son or daughter of Adam with his load of sin into the world by concieving them is child abuse.

63 posted on 08/17/2007 6:22:54 AM PDT by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: mbraynard
...the purpose of government is to prevent people from doing stupid and evil things that harm others?

In France or Sweden maybe. There's nothing American about that thought whatsoever.

64 posted on 08/17/2007 6:28:53 AM PDT by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: mbraynard
Do you want the source for each individual study?
I don't have that information at my fingertips but I have it on my external drive at home.
65 posted on 08/17/2007 7:24:20 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: mbraynard
So preventing children from being subjected to toxic substances is putting them in chains?

You are enabling authoritarian government to go after whatever annoys you. Additionally, you are teaching the children to not value freedom and to instead look to government to solve all of society's ills.

Do you see that, even for a libertarian, the purpose of government is to prevent people from doing stupid and evil things that harm others?

Conservatives used to be for smaller, less intrusive government. It's funny how so many forget about that when it comes to their particular pet peeve.

Just because their your children doesn't get you an ok to abuse them.

Smoking in a car with kids is not, has never been, and never will be child abuse.
66 posted on 08/17/2007 7:29:37 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mbraynard

You ever hear of cracking a window?

I smoke with my kids in the car, but the window is cracked open so that all the smoke go outside.

Why is simple physics so hard for some folks to understand.


67 posted on 08/17/2007 9:45:50 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: mbraynard
I don’ understand your question as I can not equate smoking and gun ownership which are both legal to the illegal activities of child porn, heroine use and drunk driving.
68 posted on 08/17/2007 9:52:57 AM PDT by alisasny (RIP Lt. Kevin “Kojak” Davis BLUE ANGELS #6 THANKYOU!!)
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To: mbraynard
"All the way down? I’m mildly inclined to agree though I’d like to see it studied."

Yes...all the way down. Anecdotal experiences of a few million Baby Boomers would be sufficient, I think.


69 posted on 08/17/2007 10:02:53 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: alisasny
illegal activities of child porn, heroine use and drunk driving.

Wonder Woman agrees. No Heroine use.

70 posted on 08/17/2007 10:21:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: mbraynard
Braynard, I'm a guy who is very far from a moron, especially on constitutional law. Court rulings down through the years have made it clear that the restrictions of the Bill of Rights Amendments against federal violations of rights specified there also restrict state and local governments via the Fourteenth Amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment has a clause stating "...nor shall any State deprive a person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law." Federal courts have consistently held that violations of the Bill of Rights amendments by States, cities, or counties automatically do not pass the Fourteenth Amendment's "due process" test. Example: A city can't run a religious parochial school because the First Amendment's "establishment" clause, combined with the Fourteenth Amendment's "due process" clause, prohibits it. Another example: the right to counsel in a criminal trial specified in the Sixth Amendment applies to state courts via the Fourteenth Amendment.

You are correct to say that cities and states are allowed to intervene in some cases of child abuse, where there is a compelling interest in protecting the child against serious and immediate danger. But we seem to differ on what constitutes "child abuse" to a degree sufficient for government intervention. A parent who smokes in a car with his/her child there is not committing child abuse ipso facto, and should not be subject to a police officer stopping the car and issuing a traffic ticket (if that's all this typical airhead of a councilcritter has in mind). The motivation behind his proposed law is more "revenue enhancement" (a favorite term of Dummycrat-left politicians), not "protecting the health of the children."

71 posted on 08/17/2007 10:51:43 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
In all honesty, what is the difference between many Freepers and Liberals?

Their choice of what the government should force people to do, to conform to their own likes and dislikes.

Freepers that support government control over personal lives, should be ASHAMED!

72 posted on 08/17/2007 11:03:19 AM PDT by Hunble (Islam is God's punishment!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I’m starting a new initiative that both adults and kids, especially the latter should wear crash helmets inside the car. Seat belts do not address head injuries.

To those who would protest that this would make it hard to use cellphones, higher priced helmets could come with a builtin phone.

It’d also make it virtually impossible to smoke, not to mention eating, drinking and putting on makeup.

Unfortunately, people would still be able to text message. But, perhaps taking a page out of AQ’s book and amputating thumbs or other guilty digits would take care of the “problem”.

There must be other problems out there, kneepads and elbowpads for pedestrians in case they fall and hurt themselves, with a helmet so their precious skulls aren’t hurt while falling on hard city pavements.

Inshallah, bin Blair.


73 posted on 08/17/2007 11:16:08 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Hunble
FReepers that support government control over personal lives, should be ASHAMED!

Or should be expressing their anti-freedom opinions on the DailyKos!

74 posted on 08/17/2007 11:20:42 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: swarthyguy
My wife was in an auto accident and the airbags protected her upper body, but her legs were broken. I demand that all cars must have leg airbags!

I was using a helmet to protect my head if anything went wrong while testing a new airplane last year. The airplane crashed and my head was protected, but the impact crushed my spine. I demand that all airplanes have spinal supports!

The control over private lives is NOT an enumerated power granted to the Federal or State governments. Any Freeper that thinks that they were ever granted that power, needs to read the actual documents.

75 posted on 08/17/2007 11:31:30 AM PDT by Hunble (Islam is God's punishment!)
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To: mbraynard
Would you argue that we should UNBAN drunk driving? Because it's not always dangerous and as long as no one gets hurt, it's a victimless crime, right?

Drunk driving is hardly victimless, at least not on public roads.

76 posted on 08/17/2007 11:33:30 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Eric Blair 2084

The only thing I disagree with Eric is that the things you name (eating right, quit smoking, and exercise) are things every responsible individual should take an active part in so that he/she lives the very best life he/she is able. Not everyone is blessed with good genes; some people work in very sick/unhealthy environments (think miners, printers, etc.) and they should WANT to take care of their bodies. I don’t mind the government promoting wellness at all. I think it’s in everyone’s best interest, not to mention the people who love and/or depend on you who have a vested interest in your health.

I am frightened at how the government could eventually deny people health for all sorts of reasons, including their own bad decisions. It’s time people started being accountable and intellectually honest about their own participation in ruining their health. Some things we cannot control, but some things we can and choosing what to put into my body remains completely within my power at this point. I try to make intelligent decisions because, well, frankly, I think I’m WORTH it.


77 posted on 08/17/2007 11:43:11 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Madame Dufarge
Dear Madame,
 
I have never in my life espoused the implementation on a new tax on any person for any reason whatsoever.
 
That was especially the case some years back when in this State my neighbors actually voted to increase taxes on the purchase of cigarettes.
 
I was horrified at the notion, and I spoke out on it at my work, and among friends and family.
 
It is true that I have never smoked, but it is also true that I have never indulged in Nazi type intolerance concerning the ridiculous habit. I believe that if people want to smoke in restaurants then they should be able to. The "Free Market" will sort that sort of thing out without Government interventions.
 
It is so that I do tend toward sarcasm. Certainly that is evident out here, but it is my expressed (and once again reiterated) opinion that if people want to light a fire to some leaves and then inhale  the concentrated noxious and toxic fumes well then that should not be a crime.

It is also my opinion that I should be able to make a decent living helping to make well those stupid enough to indulge in such self destructive behavior.


78 posted on 08/17/2007 11:46:30 AM PDT by Radix (Mr. Natural says..."Be like two fried eggs. Keep your sunny side up.")
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To: Cementjungle
If nobody was harmed because a driver was drunk...

THERE WAS NO VICTIM!

DUH!

Drunk driving laws, when there is no victim, are an outstanding example of "potential crimes." You are declared to be a criminal, not for any harm to another person, but because "YOU MIGHT, JUST MAYBE, UNDER AN UNUSUAL CONVERGENCE OF EVENTS, CAUSE AN ACCIDENT!"

So, for this invented and pretended harm to others, you may:

Go to jail. Loose your job. Loose your home. Loose your property. Loose your family. Possibly even get raped while in jail.

All of this, because you "MIGHT" harm someone.

79 posted on 08/17/2007 11:47:31 AM PDT by Hunble (Islam is God's punishment!)
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To: Hunble

>>NOT an enumerated power granted to the Federal or State governments.

Pfft, seen any evidence of that thinking?

Bah, face it, Americans are now statists, we love the goobers telling us what to or not to do.

You are going to stand on the Constitution in opposition to our efforts to ensure a risk free society in order to help the children? Dammit, man, what value are rights if we don’t make every effort to make this world safe.

Would you live in a risk drenched world or a world where risk is carefully managed and minimized by our betters in the Great FEDSTATELOCALGOV?

Why do you hate children?


80 posted on 08/17/2007 12:05:43 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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