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Sorry the article is ten days old, I just read it in my doctor's waiting room yesterday.

The video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo and this column are obviously pro-abort, but I think their question is a fair one and one I hadn't thought about before

I guess I have to conclulde that since abortion is murder, the woman who does it should be punished for murderer, even though it somehow makes me uneasy. Still trying to think through this one. Does anyone know what the punishment was in the South Dakota law that got overturned last election?

1 posted on 08/16/2007 11:23:45 AM PDT by mngran
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2 years in jail and community service at an orphange for two additional years. The doctor? Murder charges.


2 posted on 08/16/2007 11:26:19 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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Answer: None. Throw the doctor in jail for 2 years.


3 posted on 08/16/2007 11:27:26 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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I’d have to think about what penalty the woman would get but the abortionist would get 20 years for each murder...served consecutively.
4 posted on 08/16/2007 11:28:21 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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The law can distinguish between the mother and the abortionist-it’s not axiomatic that they would be equally culpable in the eyes of the law. For instance, the mother could be subject to mitigating factors which would ameliorate her guilt, and aggravating factors which would increase it.


5 posted on 08/16/2007 11:28:39 AM PDT by Spok
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What is the going rate for the premeditated murder of a child?

Once abortion is made illegal, women who have abortions should pay the price just as they would if they murdered their baby after it has been born.


6 posted on 08/16/2007 11:30:33 AM PDT by trumandogz
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Obviously, if abortion were to become illegal, criminal penalties would be incumbent upon the person who performed the abortion as was the case before Roe v. Wade.
11 posted on 08/16/2007 11:34:59 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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Manslaughter penalties for the mom, 1st degree murder penalties for the “doc”. Add sterilization for a second offence.


15 posted on 08/16/2007 11:37:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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"The man behind the camera is asking demonstrators who want abortion criminalized what the penalty should be for a woman who has one nonetheless."

Well, do what ever we do to any other murderer of course.

17 posted on 08/16/2007 11:39:36 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
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First you have to catch them. How do you do that? How do you prove someone had an abortion? First you have to know they were pregnant, then you have to know they are no longer pregnant, then you have to know the pregnancy was terminated on purpose.

I think that is alot to prove.

But let’s say it is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Well, then there must be a penalty. I don’t think you can consider it murder because they are not technically the murderer. The doctor performing the procedure is the technical murderer. In a way you could say that the woman is a victim. A trusted professional is telling these young girls it is a medical procedure and the right thing to do. And they believe it.

If abortion is outlawed, are they outlawing the medical procedure, or are they outlawing the act of seeking this medical procedure?

For instance, lets say they outlaw silicone breast implants. If a woman seeks these implants anyway and finds a doctor to give them, who does the law go after? The woman or the doctor?


19 posted on 08/16/2007 11:41:19 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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My understanding is that historically the women were rarely punished. The punishment is primarily for the abortion “provider.”

I do not want to see a woman be jailed for this. I figure she’s “temporarily insane.” Most women who choose abortions do so because they are being pressured - not all, but the vast majority - and with that in mind, I wouldn’t feel comfortable jailing or punishing the woman.


20 posted on 08/16/2007 11:41:54 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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The woman get life in her personal prison, she has to live her life knowing she allowed her baby to be murdered.

The doctor gets charged with 1st degree murder and get life in prison or the death penalty, depending on the state the crime was committed in.

Next question?

23 posted on 08/16/2007 11:42:58 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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Jail time for the woman is not nearly as effective as jail time for the person performing the abortion.


24 posted on 08/16/2007 11:43:16 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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If an unborn child has the same right to life as a newborn, then the penalty should be the same. A woman who hired a hitman to murder her newborn baby would do some jail time. Evidence of coersion should be taken account for mitigation purposes, but letting the mother walk away scot free treats women like children and encourages home abortions.


28 posted on 08/16/2007 11:45:18 AM PDT by LWalk18
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It’s an obvious trap. Even most ardent pro-lifers wouldn’t seek a penalty against the woman.


31 posted on 08/16/2007 11:48:07 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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I had not really thought about this before but if an unborn child is recognized as such then it would be the same as a mother standing by , and letting someone kill her birthed child. The penalty...well...that’s what juries are for.
I really don’t see this as a problem though. It is against the law to kill your kids now and almost none do. If abortions become illegal then we are probably only looking at rare cases.


32 posted on 08/16/2007 11:48:21 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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You bring up a not-uncommon argument used by the pro-abortion community. They use it to elicit sympathy, but mostely, they would like us to be afraid of being accused of hating women or trying to control them and their sexuality.

In fact, we see human life as something to be protected and we abhor discrimination. We don’t discriminate between who is and who is not human enough to protect from intentional killing when they are not a threat to life.

The woman is guilty of self-harm, as well as causing the death of her child. We no longer treat attempted suicide and self-mutilation as criminal offenses, but as the result of mental disorders. Those who perform abortions on themselves truly do so “privately.” The State - our society - has a responsibility to treat these women to prevent them from being a danger to themselves.

How do we treat women who kill their child just after birth? Again, the punishments often take into account the state of mind of the woman.

The State regulates medical practice, however. The act of abortion for medical reasons should be treated as a medical procedure. If there is no medical reason - the risk of the life of the mother or permanent physical harm - the abortion should be treated as other homicides are treated.


35 posted on 08/16/2007 11:50:43 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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Before Roe it was a crime to perform an abortion, not to have one. Women weren’t thrown in jail. This is designed to frighten women into backing the pro-aborts.
36 posted on 08/16/2007 11:52:15 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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In truth, many studies show that women who have had abortions have life long mental disorders stemming from their abortions.


47 posted on 08/16/2007 11:58:59 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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How Much Jail Time?
***As much as it takes. They can gobsmack that.


53 posted on 08/16/2007 12:04:15 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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Consider that you aren't making abortion illegal, you're merely removing the abortion exception from the murder statues.

The penalty would then fall under the purview of the applicable murder statute (1st degree, 2d degree, manslaughter etc.)

54 posted on 08/16/2007 12:05:34 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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