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Fighting Pornography: A New Approach
Family Fragments.com ^ | 8/15/07 | Justin Hart

Posted on 08/15/2007 1:58:32 PM PDT by LightedCandle

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To: amchugh

But, while anti-porn laws are an interesting topic to debate, the argument here is based on civil trials being brought upon porn producers and online distributors. This, instead of using the dumber than dirt legislative system, uses the damaged beyond repair judicial system with the goal of running porn sites out of business rather than making them illegal. It would be interesting to see a cleverly crafted law though.


101 posted on 08/15/2007 6:42:23 PM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: Eagle Eye
So how do you explain all of us libertarians that don’t smoke pot, don’t have a porn fetish, and don’t gamble?

bet yer a whole lotta no fun at parties ...

;-)

102 posted on 08/15/2007 6:43:24 PM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: dynachrome
(p.s. If you are one of the officers of the Lighted Candle, you should disclose that.)

If you are a porn addict, you should disclose that.

103 posted on 08/15/2007 6:44:58 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: SubGeniusX
btw are you suggesting that that you would steal your neighbors bandwidth?

I'm not talking about stealing bandwidth, but where two neighbors agree to share a connection. Or one neighbor tells another he can use his connection for free. Some people don't care if someone else uses their connection because they pay a flat fee.
104 posted on 08/15/2007 6:46:00 PM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The sodomites, pimps and whoremongers get all hot and bothered when conservatives start talking about taking our country back from the perverted freaks who have corrupted our courts, banishing God from the public square while at the same time ruling that obscene filmed and photographed acts of prostitution are what the First Amendment really protects. Morality must be returned to government by turning out of power the sick depraved deviants who have been degrading American culture.

And here we hoped they are all hanging out at the Democrat sites ... FR is infested with them; or maybe they just want to draw attention to themselves the same way the homosexual addicts do.

They have the porn addiction in common, so they really end up at the same place; that is how homosexuality became so mainstream in the last decade.

105 posted on 08/15/2007 6:48:37 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: bvw

Intriguing thought. How do you determine what is harmful enough to justify restrictions on liberty without the benefit of hindsight? I’ve got my opinions on the harmfulness of porn, but the science on the subject seems to go both ways. Also, why do you think culture always adapts to make a new innovation less harmful? I would think culture could often become more accepting or tolerant of harm rather than protecting against it. Why do you think responsibility is more likely to form in the presence of protective Gov’t impulses than the absence?


106 posted on 08/15/2007 6:54:19 PM PDT by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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To: Doe Eyes

For heaven’s sake, I didn’t knowingly allow my kids to enjoy porn. We gave them all the warnings. We keep the computer in the living room. We installed protective software. We checked the history (still do).

That’s how we found out that Firefox stopped the pop up ads (no clicking necessary for very raunchy stuff - it was just presto, right there on the screen). The kids were already good about not clicking on any come-on ads. But giant floating images would spontaneously arrive on the site of Neopets! Until we installed Firefox.

I cannot fathom how any responsible parent would expose their child to porn. To say it will not harm them is laughable, although it isn’t funny. I think it’s downright abusive, sexually abusive, to deliberately expose your children to pornography.

How does it harm them? What is the harm?

It stirs up lust before it would naturally occur. It sexualizes people who are not yet ready for sexual behavior. It objectifies others, making their first exposure to sex one that is absent of any permanent commitment. It introduces perversions. It lowers sex from a private, intimate encounter to the casual level of eating a hamburger. It decreases children’s natural modesty, making them more vulnerable to exploitation. It sets up (at least on the male side) expectations for physical perfection so high that no average woman can satisfy. It is a venue for adultery (he who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart, Jesus commented). It teaches indirectly that it is a perfectly fine thing for a woman, or a man, to accept payment for exposing themselves to others, for committing adultery with others, and for seducing others. It scares them. It scars them.


107 posted on 08/15/2007 6:57:23 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: dan1123

I’d say your broad brush is missing most of its bristles.


108 posted on 08/15/2007 6:59:01 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agee with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: amchugh
It's goatse.cx, and the probably intentional similarity to the words "goat sex" gave me pause the first time I saw the link. Note that it does not actually depict goat sex, but don't click on anything related to it anyway.

I know ... I just wanted to avoid posting the "full address"

ever notice this similarity?

actual Time cover 9/20/04

Warning: other things that you should really avoid googling: lemonparty, tubgirl, and under no circumstances look for the "Mr. Hands" video ...

109 posted on 08/15/2007 7:00:52 PM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: Syberyenta

Maybe I should have used “money shot” instead.


110 posted on 08/15/2007 7:03:50 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: bvw

So if it hurts the individual, let them pay the price. Mind your own business.


111 posted on 08/15/2007 7:05:54 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: LightedCandle
Following the tobacco model...........

Porn should not be viewed or displayed in any facility deemed to be a "public accomodation", nor within 25' of any entry to same.

Likewise, it should not be available in any public building, nor in any private dwelling, nor in any conveyance that might ever contain or be visited by anyone under the age of (fill in the blank).

Likewise with booze, beef, pork, jello, "Cheetohs", Coca Cola or any other substance or thing that could be deemed to be pleasurable to any person or group.

I can't wait until the NFL is banned. Those folks resemble gladiators and encourage violence.

It's for the children.

112 posted on 08/15/2007 7:15:03 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: amchugh
Judgment. Good judgment.

Do you think good judgment requires a certified scientist? Not at all! Scientists are men with a certain set of wisdoms and tools to apply. They don't always apply them well -- witness the global warming "consensus".

Good judgment comes from learning, most learning comes from learning from mistakes, it seems. There's a higher quality of learning that takes much more effort that comes from learning from successes.

What successful man or woman counts porn as his or her success?

So many porn stars end up with workplace afflictions. Some enjoy monetary "success" and fame, sure. But what kind of success is that? It's like the success of the bling-laden drug dealer in the ghetto, or like a mafia don's. Infamy, not fame.

Judgment comes from learning morality -- the world is run according to rules spiritual and physical. But even just measuring by the physical, porn comes out a negative.

It is by freedom that full human development occurs -- and that is both individual and group freedoms, individual and social development. But growth comes only when the individual and the society internalize -- take into their being -- the models of behavior that are long-term successful, that encourage growth in other human strivings.

Porn does not enable growth, it hobbles the being, it hobbles the culture.

Governments do not have impulses -- they are made of people, the people, us. We, the People. That's a "We" in that -- not "me, me me". We act individually and those individual actions are summed, we also act in unison.

The better we act individually, the less we may need to act under the charter of a group, but even in the most sophisticated of cultures, where humans are fully responsible trustworthy and honest there still will be laws and regulations of social behavior.

113 posted on 08/15/2007 7:16:51 PM PDT by bvw
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To: FightThePower!

I am not that calloused. If I may pun.


114 posted on 08/15/2007 7:20:30 PM PDT by bvw
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To: LightedCandle
PBS Frontline actually did a pretty good program detailing what changed about pornography during the Clinton administration and why, and how it let pornography become nastier, more brutal, and basically more obscene. You can watch it online here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/

It goes into enough detail to move beyond the abstract, which is where most of the people who think there is no problem like to keep it.

115 posted on 08/15/2007 7:21:50 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: SubGeniusX
Define "Obscenity" please ...

A good place to start is eating a person until they have welts, nailing parts of their bodies to boards, slapping them around until they cry or beg for mercy, depicting them in sexual act with animals, public and humiliating nudity and so on -- for the sexual gratification of others. Need I go on? How about doing anything in a sexual context to one of the "performers" that would make liberals scream "Torture!" if it was done to a prisoner in Gitmo as a good place to start?

Yeah, I know it's nice to imagine fuzzy and glamorous Playboy photos when people say "porn" but things have gotten a lot more coarse since the 1970s. And before you wax poetic about consenting adults, do you really think money and coercion never come into play?

and who gets the final call on that?

The People. That's why we have elections and stuff. If you don't trust The People to be sensible, then why bother giving them a vote?

116 posted on 08/15/2007 7:30:34 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: bvw
Porn does not enable growth...

That my FRiend, is a DEMONSTRATABLY false assertion... let me assure you....

117 posted on 08/15/2007 7:30:54 PM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: SubGeniusX

Like an enlarged prostrate, maybe?


118 posted on 08/15/2007 7:36:55 PM PDT by bvw
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To: mountainbunny

BRAVO. I nominate you as poster of the year for that magnificent rant. Thank you!


119 posted on 08/15/2007 7:38:27 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: SubGeniusX

Bet ya a bag of dope yer wrong.


120 posted on 08/15/2007 7:40:28 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agee with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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