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Toward a Realistic Peace
Foreign Affairs ^ | 8/14/07 | Rudolph Giuliani

Posted on 08/14/2007 11:17:12 AM PDT by bnelson44

Summary: The next U.S. president will face three key foreign policy challenges: setting a course for victory in the terrorists' war on global order, strengthening the international system the terrorists seek to destroy, and extending the system's benefits. With a stronger defense, a determined diplomacy, and greater U.S. economic and cultural influence, the next president can start to build a lasting, realistic peace.

This is pretty extensive, read it all at link.

(Excerpt) Read more at foreignaffairs.org ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: giuliani; rudolphgiuliani; rudy; terrorism; wot
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1 posted on 08/14/2007 11:17:12 AM PDT by bnelson44
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The terrorists are going to be to knocking at our front and back door pretty soon and Rudy wants to grab our guns. Real smart. He’ll never get my vote.


2 posted on 08/14/2007 11:22:00 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred run! I will send my donation as soon as you announce.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Read the article


3 posted on 08/14/2007 11:23:47 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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OK. I read it. Good article on Foreign Policy. He sounds good on paper...maybe he’d be a good Sec of State in a Thompson administration, because Rudy will never be president. It’d be a shame to waste his knowledge of the terrorstis.


4 posted on 08/14/2007 11:30:43 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: Cyber Liberty

Still trying to keep an open mind about all this.

My big questions are: would Thompson write something like this? Is he capable of writing something like this? So far, I haven’t seen anything close.


5 posted on 08/14/2007 11:32:58 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: bnelson44
The last president who was perfect at everything (we're told), and could expound endlessly on any given subject, was Jimmy Carter. He's that guy who couldn't delegate anything, and ended up the true miserable failure of the 20th century.

I don't know if Fred Thompson writes as well as Guiliani. I don't care if he can, because this election is not going to turn on a candidate's ability with a pen. The ability to turn in a good term paper is not the be-all, end-all, but it could be an excuse for someone who doesn't like a candidate to trash him, so go ahead.

6 posted on 08/14/2007 11:43:38 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: bnelson44

Good article. Rudy thinks long term.


7 posted on 08/14/2007 11:47:23 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: bnelson44

BINGO!!


8 posted on 08/14/2007 11:54:38 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Read the f’n article


9 posted on 08/14/2007 12:00:36 PM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: bnelson44; HockeyPop
I did read the article. But the fact of the matter is we’re going to face increasing assaults by muslims in this country. And Rudy is a gun grabber who would leave us defenseless and at the mercy of government sponsored Dial-a Prayer, aka 911. I don’t vote for gun grabbers who don’t respect the Second Amendment. Therefore, Rudy will not get my vote. Not ever.
10 posted on 08/14/2007 12:50:05 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred run! I will send my donation as soon as you announce.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Hang in there! There is no “peace” with Islamists. Ever. Whoever believes that there can be is self-delusional. Observe Israel’s dealings for heaven’s sake! This is what separates true conservatives from RINOs and Liberals: REALITY.

Peace can be won through an overwhelming victory and total defeat of the Islamist movement. And PC it ain’t.

Chamberlain holding fluttering worthless piece of paper comes to mind.


11 posted on 08/14/2007 1:04:25 PM PDT by brushcop
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To: AlaskaErik

I haven’t hitched my wagon to any of the candidates. But I know this: Giuliani when mayor of NY had a whole nother constituency to deal with including a destructive underclass whose only familiarity with firearms was nil and understanding of the 2nd Amend even less. Would he throw the Dems a bone by compromising the 2nd if president to buy their votes on another matter? That is another issue.


12 posted on 08/14/2007 1:28:31 PM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: bnelson44

I stopped reading when he mentioned greater economic and cultural influence. Everybody knows the U.S. is on the decline. Just read everything and listen to everybody if you don’t believe it.

Totally on the decline.

That’s what I hear.


13 posted on 08/14/2007 2:08:52 PM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: HockeyPop

Agreed. If you wanted to be mayor of New York, a horrible job but someone has to do it, you are not going to get there by insisting on changing gun control laws or supporting an anti-abortion platform.

The mayor of NY’s control of New Yorks henious guns laws is low. Many are state laws, some are city laws. Perhaps he could have worked for loosening, and he didn’t. OK. As for abortion, changes there will come either from SCOTUS or Ammedment process, neither of which are key job responsibilities of the mayor.

I started out not like Rudy for our candidate at first, but he’s grown on me. Thompson has not impressed with his bizzare I’m in / I’m not in candidacy. Where has he offered up anything comparing to this essay telling us what he would do on this issue?

So Rudy has moved up in my thinking, and the others down a little. I could probably be happy with any of the top 3 and will vote for whoever gets the nod, but I’m more likely to vote for Rudy at this point than the others.

Duncan Hunter was my favorite on ‘ideological purity’ but he hasn’t made up the deficit in name recognition he started with. Perhaps he’ll get the VP slot, I think he’d be excellent in that role too.

I appreciate some of the energy that Ron Paul brings to the race and as much as I appreciate his fidelity to the Constitution (above all other candidates) I can not agree with his misreading of the Islamic threat (which sounds straight out of Noam Chomsky). Plus, he’s not broken out of the 1% range, like Hunter.

So, of the three or four front runners at this point I strangely find myself liking Rudy the best.


14 posted on 08/14/2007 2:15:45 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: bnelson44

“Foreign Affairs” is the house organ for the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).


15 posted on 08/14/2007 7:12:49 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: gpapa

It has some very good articles, read the article.


16 posted on 08/14/2007 7:17:15 PM PDT by bnelson44
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To: gpapa

Here is another good article and you might recognize one of the authors:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070901faresponse86511/richard-b-myers-richard-h-kohn-mackubin-thomas-owens-lawrence-j-korb-michael-c-desch/salute-and-disobey.html


17 posted on 08/14/2007 7:19:02 PM PDT by bnelson44
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I read the article. He proposes a new agency as follows:

“To assist these missions, the next U.S. president should restructure and coordinate all the agencies involved in that process. A hybrid military-civilian organization — a Stabilization and Reconstruction Corps staffed by specially trained military and civilian reservists — must be developed. The agency would undertake tasks such as building roads, sewers, and schools; advising on legal reform; and restoring local currencies.”

This is nothing new, it is what we have been doing for the last four years in Afghanistan and Iraq while expending billions of dollars. For a progress report on those expenditures in Iraq go here: http://www.sigir.mil/


18 posted on 08/14/2007 7:35:00 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: bnelson44

Good article.

“The laudable and effective Proliferation Security Initiative, a global effort to stop the shipment of weapons of mass destruction and related materials, should be expanded and strengthened.”

Amb. John Bolton’s creation. And look what America did to him.


19 posted on 08/15/2007 4:43:26 AM PDT by dervish (de Tocqueville: there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad)
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To: gpapa

Rising to a New Generation of Global Challenges
By Mitt Romney
From Foreign Affairs, July/August 2007

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86402/mitt-romney/rising-to-a-new-generation-of-global-challenges.html?mode=print


20 posted on 08/15/2007 4:47:18 AM PDT by dervish (de Tocqueville: there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad)
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