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Analysis: Rove Helped Make, Break Bush (AP - Ron Fournier)
cbs news ^ | 8/13/07 | Ron Fournier - ap

Posted on 08/13/2007 6:15:03 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Prokopton
From what I recall, from reading bits and pieces here and there, Rove always had a real contempt and callousness towards the conservative base -- the pro-lifers, pro-Constitution crowd, the anti-illegal immigration crowd. He basically took the attitude of, "Where else are they going to go?" and dropped crap on them during Bush's presidency. So I would imagine that he, and Bush, were never surprised at the vocal opposition, at least, not that there were opponents within conservative ranks.

Course, on second thought, maybe he was surprised that the GOP base, which for so many years has nodded in unison, saying "Yes, we believe you, that's rain coming down on our heads" -- which it's actually a stream of you-know-what from the White House -- finally had enough and said "No Mas, President Jorge!"

21 posted on 08/13/2007 7:40:33 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: NormsRevenge
"Analysis:
Rove Helped Make, Break Bush (AP..)"

Rove may have "helped make" Bush,
but Bush broke himself!

22 posted on 08/13/2007 7:40:59 PM PDT by norton
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To: NormsRevenge

When a guy wins the Presidency he and his advisors are geniuses,when their Party loses the majority in mid-term elections they’re idiots.Rove was an advisor to George Bush like Dick Morris once was to Bill Clinton,no more, no less.At the end of the day as a sign on Harry Truman’s desk in the Oval Office said, “The buck stops here”, and how the political landscape plays out is the President’s call,not his advisors !!!


23 posted on 08/13/2007 7:44:34 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: norton

Bush isn’t broken. He has won every battle with Pelosi and Reid. Coming up is vetos on spending. Stay tuned.


24 posted on 08/13/2007 7:47:27 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Rove was the strategist behind the failure to prevent illegal aliens from entry, I was told by a local GOP pol. Arrogantly, the WH failed to address the matter because they hoped to get corporate donations based on cheap labor. Therefor I doubt that the promised reforms will be implemented.

If Rove appears in another candidate’s campaign, then you know the candidate will continue Bush’s loosing policies and is doomed to defeat (HOPEFULLY).


25 posted on 08/13/2007 7:51:36 PM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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To: Mumbles

I think you and the pollster are WRONG. Maybe Rove agreed with the shamnesty bill but he wasn’t the engine that made it go. That engine would be GW BUSH !!!


26 posted on 08/13/2007 7:57:31 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: Obie Wan

Yes, BUSH drove the train, but ROVE masterminded it.


27 posted on 08/13/2007 8:00:40 PM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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To: Obie Wan

Let me correct the statement. The “pol” was a local politician, endorsed by the GOP, running for office whom I know personally - not a “pollster” How would a pollster come to that knowledge from asking dorks on the street?


28 posted on 08/13/2007 8:03:10 PM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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To: ClaireSolt
"He has won every battle with Pelosi and Reid"

Bush won "comprehensive immigration"?..
????

Don't attribute any demise of the left to GWB - he's had too long to do it and he has failed to do it - assuming he wanted to do it - Pelosi and Reid are just as capable of scuttling themselves as Jorge is.

29 posted on 08/13/2007 8:09:32 PM PDT by norton
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To: Mumbles

A “local” politician,like who? your dog catcher? Yeah I’m sure he’d have a real inside track on nat’l politics huh ???


30 posted on 08/13/2007 8:11:57 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: norton

What? are you deliberately trying to be too smart by half? He was on the same side as they were on immigration.


31 posted on 08/13/2007 8:32:48 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Obie Wan

You smell like you have an ulterior motive...


32 posted on 08/13/2007 8:33:22 PM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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To: Mumbles

Whatever,have a nice night !!!


33 posted on 08/13/2007 8:37:23 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: samtheman
"He's a good guy, but he has a problem with the letter 'C'. He focused too much on making Coalition, and too little on being Conservative."

Also none of Constitutionality.

34 posted on 08/13/2007 8:38:43 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: Prokopton

Karl Rove and La Raza:

http://michellemalkin.com/2006/07/06/karl-rove-la-raza/


35 posted on 08/13/2007 8:55:22 PM PDT by Pelham (theTerryAndersonShow.com)
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To: ClaireSolt
Good point, guess I'm just obsessed with winning.

I almost implied he'd got one right during the second term.

36 posted on 08/14/2007 5:43:19 AM PDT by norton
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To: Obie Wan

Obie, not to get you nuts, but after our exchange, an article came out. Ref: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/fbe0b986-4a8d-11dc-95b5-0000779fd2ac.html
How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
By James Carville

The article is up on DRUDGE as of now. Although CARVILLE is a Dem strategist, he gives ROVE a lot of credit, including the illegal alien program. Not all negatives, although Carville has a point to make for the Dims.


37 posted on 08/15/2007 5:01:46 AM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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To: NormsRevenge

GWB aint broken, and in fact is looking to be in a fairly good position these days.

(if he would just stay the heck off immigration reform)


38 posted on 08/15/2007 5:09:09 AM PDT by Edit35
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