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Change of Heart on Immigration? The White House thinks it’s calling America’s bluff.
National Review Online ^ | August 13, 2007 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 08/13/2007 1:34:22 PM PDT by Delacon

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To: org.whodat; Delacon; nicmarlo
The same sort of thing happened half a century earlier, when the textile industry predicted disaster if child labor were ended. At a Senate hearing in 1916, one mill owner said that limiting child labor would “stop my machines”; another said “investors would never receive another dividend”; while a third said that ending child labor would “paralyze the country.”

And before that it had something to do with picking cotton! Pack'em up send'em home.

BTTT!

81 posted on 08/13/2007 6:57:27 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: ought-six

Bush’s love affair with Mexicans is unseemly. In the immigration debate he actually places the interests of Mexicans above those of American citizens. He should have closed the border on 9/12/2001, regardless of his infatuation with Mexicans.

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All true, but he forgot what country he works for. And he forgot the Presidential oath and the Constitutional obligations he took on as President. If the will and needs of the American people received as much attention from him as foreign countries, foreign trade pacts, Afghans, Iraqis and Mexicans....he would have probably had a good legacy to go down in history. It is symptomatic of an inbred culture of arrogance, elitism and globalism all mixed together.

America is on the brink. Serious trouble. If this country has degraded enough to put a power-mad Marxist in the White House, we are in for a rough ride until America finally wakes up, cleans up Washington and state governments, and restores our Constitutional Republic that Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Franklin, et al, intended....at all costs, the Constitution must be protected and we must have officials that support it, protect it, and live by the letter of its laws to ensure the liberties and rights of all REAL Americans.


82 posted on 08/13/2007 7:42:35 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

I agree with your post.

Since Bush and Chertoff think we can’t live without the illegals, I suggest one more cut off for Mexico. We don’t need 50 Mexican consulates, so lets get rid of them. We can place American businesses in the buildings and collect taxes on the property.


83 posted on 08/13/2007 8:39:47 PM PDT by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: Ben Ficklin

So you are basically saying that we need a few hundred million more illegals to keep the growth going. What a dumb argument.


84 posted on 08/13/2007 8:48:50 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: TheLion
Based on the stats, the US is/has been achieving a population growth rate of about 0.90%/year. Birth rate plus immigration rate minus death rate. Canada is achieving the same pop growth rate with a lower birth rate and a higher immigration rate.

If the US had an adequate immigration policy, there would be no, or very few, illegals. You can let them in as legal immigrants, guest workers, illegal immigrants, or any combination there-of.

Then there is the medium age. Overall, the US has a medium age of 36.6 years. The US medium age of the native born is over 40 while the medium age of the foreign born is about 27. As the population ages, there are fewer workers to do the hot, hard, and dirty jobs.

As the illegals are deported and/or self-deport, you better find someone to replace them.

85 posted on 08/14/2007 3:50:52 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Delacon

bttt


86 posted on 08/14/2007 4:07:19 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: goldstategop

Exactly! Me too!


87 posted on 08/14/2007 5:30:46 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hunter and Tancredo in '08! La Raza - the PLO of the Western Hemisphere)
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To: VictoryGal

Yes, it is not over. There will be a push for the Dream Act.


88 posted on 08/14/2007 6:04:10 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: ought-six

I agree. Bush’s obsession with Mexico and its illegal aliens is bizarre.


89 posted on 08/14/2007 6:11:29 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Delacon
We already have too many people. Our Civil War battle fields and scenic areas are torn up for tacky housing developments. Traffic jams are growing. Illegal aliens are committing horrific crimes, providing a cover for terrorists, consuming our resources, etc.

We need to deport illegal aliens directly or indirectly and build a wall. If we need labor we can admit temporary workers - without their families, no anchor babies, no right to welfare.

90 posted on 08/14/2007 6:21:28 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Borax Queen; org.whodat; Delacon
....And before that it had something to do with picking cotton! Pack'em up send'em home.

another BTTT!

91 posted on 08/14/2007 7:51:55 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Delacon

..and yet congress has not approved the actuall construction of the fence.

There might be “some money” set aside. The president may have “approved” the construction HOWEVER congress reserved final approval as to design and location for themselves.

This enforcement is a hollow nothing.

Punshiment to the sheep for rising against the wolf.


92 posted on 08/14/2007 8:01:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
In the end, however, I am a bit ambivalent in evaluating this theory.

Despite having been heavy involved in this issue for years I still had mixed theories on the level of responsibility. That is, until the Presidents remark that spoke volumes about his level of personal agenda for amnesty.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19149972/

June 11, 2007 “I believe we can get it done,” Bush said of the immigration bill that has run into deep trouble on Capitol Hill. “I’ll see you at the bill signing.”

That is all I needed to realize that despite other entities having various levels of responsibility, this push for amnesty is primarily being encouraged and enabled by the President. This is the result of his personal agenda.

We now have a situation in which The President of The United States of America is not serving the nation and is insisting others in government to engage in government "by the elite" and NOT "from the consent of the Governed."

The question to be answered is, as I see it, what are the options of the President and his "inner sanctum" to continue to rule by elitism and not from the consent of the governed?

It is a question that everyone needs to answer for themselves as it is becoming very clear that as long as the OBL/Amnesty crew are within reach of the DC swamp they will continue their course of subverting this nation to the point of it’s insignificance.

If it is found to be the case that this is occurring, there are clear instructions from the Founding Fathers of this Republic as to our response as American Citizens. It is clear to me that the Founding Fathers did not intend to allow future American Citizens to inherent the Republic for free after it cost them so much, it does have a price and occasional we would be called upon to pay up.

93 posted on 08/14/2007 8:39:24 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: ought-six
I am sadly accepting the facts . The fact is America is on it’s last leg .

Every week there's more bad news ,like the Massachusetts communist health care laws that will close small business’s and put mid income people in the street . WHY ? So they can pay for the ‘poor’ to get it free [ Mitt Romney ].

It’s not one democrat or one republican, it’s all of them . I have voted for lessor of two evils for past few decades, never again .Evil is still evil .

95 posted on 08/16/2007 10:55:35 AM PDT by noamnasty
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To: Ben Ficklin
Nobody will ever convince me that we have to have third worlders to survive, no matter the argument .

Give back the farms to the native Americans and stop the mafia of huge agri business’s. I am native American, not an immigrant , my ancestor's immigrated here centuries ago . Most of the new immigrants are first and second generation at best. We re not a immigrant nation ,we are a melting pot American nation , not salad bowl.The anglo-saxons and the blacks built this nation the hard way . No body gave us a damn thing .

96 posted on 08/16/2007 11:30:57 AM PDT by noamnasty
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To: longtermmemmory
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves .’forgot author’
97 posted on 08/16/2007 11:39:48 AM PDT by noamnasty
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To: TLI

Just like nations ruled by other tyrants , we will be complacent till we no longer have a choice . They are building their army against us inside our own homeland and to add insult to injury with our own money .


98 posted on 08/16/2007 11:46:02 AM PDT by noamnasty
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To: noamnasty
We re not a immigrant nation ,we are a melting pot American nation , not salad bowl. The anglo-saxons and the blacks built this nation the hard way . No body gave us a damn thing .

There it is. The primary difference and it will not change nor will the people that really built this nation "adjust" to the invaders. The vast numbers involved will surely result in a fragmentation, a Balkanization of this nation.

The entire concept of an amnesty is NOTHING but a match to the fuze leading to war. And that will be war right here in the good old USA. We will be resupplying at WalMart and the local K-Clinic will be handling simple gunshot wounds to the arms and legs.

We are fundamentally different from the hordes that are giving our laws a “one gun salute” by jumping the fence or swimming the river, then prancing down our streets demanding “their rights.” If "our" government gives 30 million of them a free pass and tries to tell real American Citizens that the criminal illegal alien border law violators are now also “citizens” there will be a full blown war. American Citizens are NOT going to accept that level of treason. They know that doing so will destroy the united States of America and what will be left will be a corporate slave farm on a gigantic scale.

That will leave American Citizens with nothing to loose.


99 posted on 08/16/2007 12:15:07 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

Who do we have left to fight ? Senior citizens and lazy spoiled kids ? Our fighting men are somewhere else defending another nations ‘democracy’. What size army will we have most people don’t even read the news,unless a new Harry Potter book comes out , Brittany or Paris shaves their head or has another arrest. I have 11 grandkids most teenagers and early 20s and only a couple get exercise .I guess they have strong fingers from video games and remotes though .


100 posted on 08/16/2007 12:51:50 PM PDT by noamnasty
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