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Change of Heart on Immigration? The White House thinks it’s calling America’s bluff.
National Review Online ^ | August 13, 2007 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 08/13/2007 1:34:22 PM PDT by Delacon

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To: GovernmentShrinker
"Interesting timing though. Just as the long-awaited subprime meltdown sets off the long-awaited economic downturn, steps are being taken to reduce the excess labor pool that would inevitably emerge."

EXACTLY. And then the politicians can cover their backside by "proving" how necessary the illegals are to the economy -- that "enforcing the laws" in getting rid of illegals really hurt the economy. Nevermind the heavy losses of the $1.75 trillion hedge fund industry on Friday.

Watch for 15 August -- many people want OUT before it gets worse.

Today, the euro came down because the currency and their markets are no longer insulated from possible subprime losses in the U.S.

AQR Capital Management, Highbridge Capital Management, D.E. Shaw and Goldman Sachs, among others, lost big time and some will not get their money back.

But hey, the world ecnomy hinges on illegal slave labor (according to those who'll use it for all it's worth). A strawman.

61 posted on 08/13/2007 3:34:09 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Normal4me

they are probably gonna want to know.
if you want money for your work.
and do you expect to be employeed
for more than one day.
and do you really want ss to be taken
out of your pay.
us americans sure are demanding.


62 posted on 08/13/2007 3:34:39 PM PDT by kentucky citizen
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To: Delacon

The new rule sets out common-sense steps an employer must take upon receiving a no-match letter to ensure that he won’t be held liable if the worker turns out to be an illegal alien. ... “An employer who does that,” as Secretary Chertoff points out, “is making a deliberate decision to compound their legal difficulties by committing tax crimes as well as immigration crimes.” (In other words, “You may not think much of my department, but the IRS isn’t fooling around.”)
***Such corporations would be target-rich environments for RICO lawsuits.

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Here’s what I’ve been pushing: it’s time to file Racketeering, Influencing, and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) lawsuits.

RICO lawyers could turn it around in a few years and MAKE MONEY at the same time. I’m surprised they haven’t done it already.

In the absence of enforcement, we can get the word out in the meantime that there is money to be made in filing RICO lawsuits against employers who hire illegal aliens.

Employers would have no trouble shutting down the border if they could get sued by someone under the RICO statutes for hiring these people in the first place. The next time an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or somesuch thing, I’m going to point out that the victim’s family might be able to seek compensation from the employer under these statutes in the hopes that it would catch on. If this did catch on, would see such a swift backlash against illegal immigration that no employer would go near these people and they’ll all simply want to go back home.


63 posted on 08/13/2007 3:39:14 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Delacon
Who would have thought that Bush would present this snarly, arrogant, defiant face to American voters who want to preserve our sovereignty. He is absolutely in bad faith. What does America really mean to this man, other than a gift to give to Mexico? How in the world to trust him running a war?
64 posted on 08/13/2007 4:28:03 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Delacon
"Along the same lines is another, less-noticed measure in last week’s announcement. The administration says it will begin to draft a new rule to require all federal contractors to use the online system, .... "

The "rule" will be published in the Federal Register as a "proposed rulemaking" for Social Security Administration.

This is an opportunity for Freepers to get in there and make specific recommendations to the bureaucrats who wrote it up.

If there's something that effectively guts the rule, we need 400,000 people to protest that part. If there are possibilities of strengthening the rule, as few as 10 responses should be sufficient.

I intend to comment on the proposed rulemaking and will post what I have to say here on FR.

Would be nice for the Administrators to set up a standard keyword for us to link to once the rule is out for comment.

65 posted on 08/13/2007 4:36:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ben Ficklin
"How the illegals are removed is irrelevant. Whether they are deported or self-deport, losing what they produce and consume will have negative effect on the economy. Especially in CA, TX, FL, IL, and AZ."

Still right in there flacking for the illegal aliens, I see.

66 posted on 08/13/2007 4:42:22 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Kevmo; Congressman Billybob
It has perplexed me that RICO has not been used -- or used so rarely. It would seem to offer an effective remedy.

And I keep wondering why we don't see civil rights lawsuits...discrimination against the American citizen by the American who can't get the carpentry job because the employer prefers the subservient illegal labor. If that's not discrimination on the basis of national origin, what is?

67 posted on 08/13/2007 4:43:05 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Czar

How about the $30B in remittances to Mexico?


68 posted on 08/13/2007 4:44:25 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle; Congressman Billybob

It has perplexed me as well. But I smell money on the table and if no one else moves for it, I might set up shop doing exactly that. All I need to do is get through law school.


69 posted on 08/13/2007 4:50:42 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Mamzelle
"How about the $30B in remittances to Mexico?"

We also need to put a stop to that.

70 posted on 08/13/2007 4:50:50 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Delacon

Think of all the idle rich Republican Elite wives who’ll have to hire honest household help or face the IRS...priceless.


71 posted on 08/13/2007 5:03:47 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Czar

Did you read those comments on the thread calling Kerkorian an OBL?


72 posted on 08/13/2007 5:06:53 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: noamnasty

Somebody is paying attention !

Wonder if this has any bearing on the Iraqi ‘refugees’ he’s sending for , [ last rumored at least 100,000 ] ? We will have to cough up the money for more foot baths and schools rooms, rugs and prison mosques if this is true .
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No wonder Rove left — I am amazed he stayed as long as he did.


73 posted on 08/13/2007 5:51:33 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Blue State Insurgent
"If the â??no-matchâ?� comes up with a name and SS number conflict that must be resolved 30 days, then the growers will fire the illegal on the 3Oth day and hire him again the next day under a new phony name and SS number. As this will eventually prompt another no-match the same worker will get yet another name and SS number."

Even that won't be necessary....how is DHS going to enforce/prosecute employers if SSA is not required to give DHS the list of names of employers with no-matchs? It's all a ploy.
74 posted on 08/13/2007 6:17:05 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: EagleUSA

Bush’s love affair with Mexicans is unseemly. In the immigration debate he actually places the interests of Mexicans above those of American citizens. He should have closed the border on 9/12/2001, regardless of his infatuation with Mexicans.


75 posted on 08/13/2007 6:17:08 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: Delacon
They don't really get it at the White House and Homeland Security. The American people are prepared to accept inconveniences and a certain amount of economic costs to secure our borders. I'm willing to pay more for lettuce and other vegetables to preserve our national identity.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

76 posted on 08/13/2007 6:19:42 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Oatka

The value of a Mexican construction worker is largely a myth. Sure, they work fast, but they do shoddy work, and it has to be redone in pretty short order. I’d rather have a competent carpenter and pay him a decent wage and have the job done right the first time.


77 posted on 08/13/2007 6:22:30 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: ought-six

“The value of a Mexican construction worker is largely a myth. Sure, they work fast, but they do shoddy work, and it has to be redone in pretty short order. I’d rather have a competent carpenter and pay him a decent wage and have the job done right the first time.”

Amen to that!


78 posted on 08/13/2007 6:48:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: norwaypinesavage
If The USA needs a large number of uneducated and unskilled workers who can’t speak English, we should establish a quota for uneducated and unskilled workers who can’t speak English, and allow them in legally. Somehow, I think this would be a very small number.

BTTT

79 posted on 08/13/2007 6:55:39 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: nmh

“Currently he is in the doghouse.”

You do a diservice to dogs by putting Bush with them. They disearve much better.


80 posted on 08/13/2007 6:56:32 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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