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Change of Heart on Immigration? The White House thinks it’s calling America’s bluff.
National Review Online ^ | August 13, 2007 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 08/13/2007 1:34:22 PM PDT by Delacon

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To: lightANDlaw
No. Round em up or find ways to get the illegals to go home of their own accord. Build the fence and THEN and only THEN start letting them back in legally, fully documented, as our economy requires.
41 posted on 08/13/2007 2:29:10 PM PDT by Delacon
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To: EagleUSA

Somebody is paying attention !

Wonder if this has any bearing on the Iraqi ‘refugees’ he’s sending for , [ last rumored at least 100,000 ] ? We will have to cough up the money for more foot baths and schools rooms, rugs and prison mosques if this is true .


42 posted on 08/13/2007 2:30:30 PM PDT by noamnasty
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"long awaited subprime meltdown"

If that the correct description, whatever you call it, it is caused by falling demand for housing.

If you combine one million legal plus one half million illegal immigrants per year, for quite a number of years, that has been the underlying driver on housing demand. As the level of illegal immigration has dwindled over the last year, housing demand has fallen. And if there is an exodus of illegals, there will be further dwindling of housing demand.

In Kerkorian's original essay on attrition theory, in 2005, he explained that physically removing the illegals would crash the economy. How the illegals are removed is irrelevant. Whether they are deported or self-deport, losing what they produce and consume will have negative effect on the economy. Especially in CA, TX, FL, IL, and AZ.

Downsizing Illegal Immigration

43 posted on 08/13/2007 2:31:03 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: MrEdd
Then direct your efforts where they need to be directed, you are blaming the wrong person. Bush signed off on the border fence, Congress has not appropriated all the funds for it...only about enough for 100 miles. They, not Bush, are the only ones that can issue the funding to build the fence, that is the way it works.

P.S. The first one on here that says Bush can issue an EO for this is going to get slapped upside the head with a Civics 101 textbook.

44 posted on 08/13/2007 2:32:43 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: longtermmemmory

“I think Rove’s departure is going to be very bad on this.

James Baker apparently is one of the proponents on this illegal alien amnesty. (per a comment on FNC today)”

I doubt Rove’s departure is related to this issue. He’s been one of the (maybe THE) main proponents of pandering to Hispanics, and the belief the the future of the Republican party lies in attracting more Hispanic voters or the party will be a long term minority party.

Then many others, including me, believe that is the worst possible strategy, and that their amnesty scheme would have assured a long term Dem majority with all the new Hispanic voters.

Since the big “now we’ll enforce the law” announcement, I’ve suspected exactly what the NR article lays out. We’ll soon hear incessant whining and moaning from employers and the administration about how crops are rotting in the fields and the economy is being terribly harmed. - I say let ‘em whine and moan, and let employers make the market adjustments they should have made years ago.

And call our Reps. and Senators even more often than while defeating the Shamnesty Act.


45 posted on 08/13/2007 2:36:01 PM PDT by Will88
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To: xzins
I think it’s more like 11,000 miles of unguarded fence .It’s the Canadian, USA border where the radiation pagers have gone off when two M.Eastern looking men drove across in a van , of course the agents were told to let them pass or stand down [ sounds familiar ]. more muslims live in Canada, than mexico .
46 posted on 08/13/2007 2:39:40 PM PDT by noamnasty
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To: Ben Ficklin

That’s not really a significant driver of the subprime meltdown. Most of these mortgages are on properties purchased by US citizens who couldn’t really afford them. The individual mortgages were time-bombs to begin with, and when sliced and diced into complex mortgage-backed securities and purchased by hedge funds using significant amounts of leverage, the fuse was lit on the whole pile.


47 posted on 08/13/2007 2:42:43 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Delacon

None of this stuff that the Administration is now doing is worth a didly-squat without THE FENCE -— and they know it.


48 posted on 08/13/2007 2:47:31 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

“In Kerkorian’s original essay on attrition theory, in 2005, he explained that physically removing the illegals would crash the economy. How the illegals are removed is irrelevant. Whether they are deported or self-deport, losing what they produce and consume will have negative effect on the economy. Especially in CA, TX, FL, IL, and AZ.”

All the more reason to get tough and enforce the law now, something we should have been doing for years. And the states you name have been the economic beneficiaries (at least the hirers of illegals) of illegal alien employees, and they should pay the biggest price as adjustments are made.

Otherwise, the problems now in those states will be in more and more states, and eventually the entire nation. It’s like cancer surgery, tough, but necessary for longer term benefit.


49 posted on 08/13/2007 2:48:35 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88
Stop the welfare and other attractions for all the breeders who come here and the breeding will stop .

Like one racist latino group bragged, ‘ the whites are old and dying, they are not having babies,the population will soon be in our control , the white man is shitting in his pants ‘.

50 posted on 08/13/2007 2:51:37 PM PDT by noamnasty
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To: GovernmentShrinker

The sub-prime market financing has been being used for quite a while. Up until now, demand has kept prices up and rising, preventing anyone from getting caught. When demand fell, many got caught holding the bag.


51 posted on 08/13/2007 2:52:24 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Delacon
Well the Bush administration has had its conniving moments even with its base. Do you recall how they passed the campaign finance reform bill in the middle of the night? How about even how they tried to push through the amnesty bill.

Yes, there have been a few cases where this administration has been less principled than I would prefer. (That is why I used the modifier "generally" to describe its principled state.) Its hands-off approach toward Iran is another instance that leaps to mind--though that hardly seems so Machiavellian.

In the end, however, I am a bit ambivalent in evaluating this theory.

52 posted on 08/13/2007 2:54:59 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: nmh
Currently he is in the doghouse.

The dog threw him in the cat box.

53 posted on 08/13/2007 2:56:32 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st TFW Tuy Hoa AFB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: Delacon

What bluff? Who was bluffing?


54 posted on 08/13/2007 2:56:44 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

bttt


55 posted on 08/13/2007 3:03:25 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: expatpat
We probably do need to hire some Mexicans here in the US, but let’s do it legally, with no special path to citizenship, or welfare and other special benefits.

Labor needs, if any, and immigration, are separate issues that properly have nothing whatsoever to do with border security.

56 posted on 08/13/2007 3:05:04 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: longtermmemmory
James Baker apparently is one of the proponents on this illegal alien amnesty. (per a comment on FNC today)

Why am I not surprised...wonder how much Senor Fox paid the Baker 'consulting' firm over the years...

57 posted on 08/13/2007 3:09:06 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Delacon
You can almost hear the president thinking, “be careful what you wish for.”

O the huge manatee!


58 posted on 08/13/2007 3:09:15 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Bobibutu

" You say illegal aliens are attempting to murder ICE
agents and are setting fire to forests and fields
along the border to distract U.S. Border Patrol
Agents to make their crossing easier, and
throwing Molotov cocktails at US agents’ vehicles,
and setting fire to their observation posts? "

"I'm the Homeland Security Chief. What do you want me to do about it? "

59 posted on 08/13/2007 3:13:29 PM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Normal4me
Does this mean us white guys might start getting more construction work again?

Hope so. My neighbor's boy, a construction supervisor, was fired because he couldn't speak Spanish.

60 posted on 08/13/2007 3:17:06 PM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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