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It’s unfortunate that every rape victim seems to have “asked for it” in some people’s eyes. 78% of assaults are done by people the victim knows and acquaintance rape is probably the most underreported crime BECAUSE of attitudes like this. No means no. It doesn’t matter who was drinking or what she was wearing. She didn’t deserve to be assaulted. One day, it will be your daughter, wife, graddaughter or YOU and we’ll see your tune change then!

~~Walking away in disgust


16 posted on 08/13/2007 8:13:37 AM PDT by JenBrower (...government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan)
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No means no.

How come you are assuming she said "No" and isn't simply suffering from "buyers remorse"; for lack of a better phrase? Whether you want to admit it, or not, it does happen; quite frequently.

This is not a judgment for or against the rape case; as at this point it is still a matter of he said/she said. You have to admit, though, refusing to answer questions, does not reflect well on her position.

As to it possibly being my wife/daughter one day, God forbid. I hope that they both have been instilled with values that make it so they do not put themselves into a position where the question can be in doubt. Women do bear responsibility for their own safety.

I can think that a young women is a complete dumb-a$$ for putting herself into a position where something like this is more likely to happen (drunk at a party, wearing clothes that leave little to the imagination, lewd behavior, etc), and still sympathize for what she has endured.

19 posted on 08/13/2007 8:27:18 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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One day, it will be your daughter, wife, graddaughter or YOU and we’ll see your tune change then!

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Oddly enough, having rape wished on me or my loved ones does nothing to instill sympathy in me for someone who refused to testify after charging others with rape. Nice temper tantrum, though.

22 posted on 08/13/2007 8:36:22 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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“She didn’t deserve to be assaulted. One day, it will be your daughter, wife, graddaughter or YOU and we’ll see your tune change then!

~~Walking away in disgust”

While walking away, remember Nifong.

This female had the opportunity to testify and refused. To me that equals “she probably did ask for it and regretted it later”.

Otherwise I can see no reason she would not testify.


23 posted on 08/13/2007 8:38:07 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.)
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If I accept everything you said, I don't see your point except that you have some grievance with "attitudes".

Because "the investigation revealed inconsistencies in Hernandez's testimony," people are deducing that she got caught in a lie. If that's the case then they should force her to testify or else charge her for not cooperating.

 

There is another aspect to this, and it's regarding a soldier's duty. It's one thing to be a civilian and tolerate rapists in your midst. You can't do that in the Air Force. If she knows the men are guilty of something, then she owes it to the Air Force to testify against them.

29 posted on 08/13/2007 8:52:32 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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Dear JenBrower,

"One day, it will be your daughter, wife, graddaughter or YOU and we’ll see your tune change then!”

Been there, done that.

BECAUSE I have a close relative who was a victim of rape, I’m not keen on women who make false charges of rape.

One of two things is possible in this case: the woman was truly raped; the woman is making a false allegation.

If she was truly raped, she truly has an obligation to herself and to other women to testify against her attackers. The process is difficult, and unfortunately, because those of us looking from the outside in can’t know a priori who is a real victim and who is a liar, the process must be adversarial, must protect the rights of the accused, and the charges must be sustained by evidence.

If she was truly raped, once having made formal allegations, she must continue through the process, or be compelled by the courts to do so.

If she wasn’t raped, then I don’t blame her, in a sense, for backing out. Certainly, the punishment that she’ll receive for backing out is less than the punishment she’d have received if she went to trial, testified falsely, and was then proven a liar under oath.

But if she wasn’t raped, and her charges are false, then frankly, my hope is that she is severely punished.


sitetest

35 posted on 08/13/2007 9:14:55 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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~~Walking away in disgust

Oddly enough, when an accuser later refuses to testify at the trial of her own supposed assailants, it usually means that she knows her testimony will be poked full of holes and shown to be fabricated. Truth stands in its own right, and vice versa.

56 posted on 08/13/2007 9:48:44 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson - POTUS 44)
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One day, it will be your daughter, wife, graddaughter or YOU and we’ll see your tune change then!

however, it's best not to get into certain situations to begin with... i know many rapes are not because a woman got herself into an iffy situation... but many are--especially with young women... i know it doesn't mean it's not rape, but gosh... we do need to be careful about our choices... even if it's not the woman's fault, (and i'm talking about young women in general, not the person in this article... i know nothing about that situation) why take a chance at the possibility of being raped? to me, rape is just as bad a crime as murder...

58 posted on 08/13/2007 9:57:09 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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No means no... It doesn’t matter who was drinking or what she was wearing.

I'd guess a lot of 'rapes' are actually next-day regret.

No does indeed mean no. But if both of them are drinking and nobody says 'no', then who raped whom?

79 posted on 08/13/2007 1:08:18 PM PDT by BearCub
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Take a chill pill Jen. Do you have any military experience? It has been said that it takes a special kind of person to enter into military service and and that has both a positive (mostly) and a negative (the minority). This may not be the case here but...Ive been in this organization for 20 years and I have seen the best and worst of human character in service. I could tell you stories that would absolutely make you sick to your stomach. My daughter was a soldier and served with honor (to the best of my knowledge)and I have the utmost respect for her and her sisters in arms...but...that said, the flip side is the most reprehensible behavior imaginable. BTW, just because she says that she said no...doesnt mean she did.
91 posted on 08/14/2007 7:01:55 AM PDT by TheGunny (Re-read 1&2 Corinthians)
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