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Battle for Arctic oil hinges on UN panel
ft.com ^ | August 10 2007 18:44 | By Michael Peel and Daniel Dombey in London

Posted on 08/10/2007 9:19:16 PM PDT by JohnA

The international battle for Arctic territory may look like a Wild West brawl but the real fight for supremacy is more likely to revolve around legal arguments and seismic data than showdowns between ice-breakers or submarines.

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TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: arctic; ngo; oil; thirdsector; un
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1 posted on 08/10/2007 9:19:18 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA
If the United States claimed the Arctic, who would tell us no? This is all theatrics.
2 posted on 08/10/2007 9:48:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s all law and technology. The media makes it out to be politics. Politics is part theater.


3 posted on 08/10/2007 9:53:47 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In case you missed it, GW Bush wants the US to sign the Law of the Sea Treaty.


4 posted on 08/10/2007 9:54:46 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA

oil? there is no oil, we have all been told we have past the peak oil and we are done with all oil.


5 posted on 08/10/2007 10:10:47 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: JohnA

Thank God Ronald Reagan prevented this atrocious “Law” of the Sea treaty from becoming law. We need that about as much as we need the Kyoto Treaty (which Vladimir Putin signed into law). President Bush also brought back the evil subversive UN organization UNESCO to the USA. Ronald Reagan was smart enough to ban this gang of vermin from the USA.


6 posted on 08/12/2007 2:33:35 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: JohnA

Perhaps it’s time for the U.S. to get off of it’s butt and drill ANWR?


7 posted on 08/12/2007 2:35:35 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: JohnA

The Law of Sea provides for a 200-mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and a territorial sea of 12 miles. Our current territorial limit is three miles by our definition. So the LOS treaty would actually work to our advantage in the Artic.


8 posted on 08/12/2007 2:44:09 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Well there you go, eh? Why fight something like that?


9 posted on 08/12/2007 7:52:03 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: G Larry

I don’t think there’s much oil there.


10 posted on 08/12/2007 7:53:27 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You'd better write President Bush and tell him to stop pushing for the signing of the Law of the Sea Treaty based on your cogent and convincing post. He's for signing it now. All you need to do is cut and paste your post into a note to the White House and he'll get off that policy tack, I'm sure.

Can I help you find his address?
11 posted on 08/12/2007 7:58:14 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: kabar
The Law of Sea provides for a 200-mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and a territorial sea of 12 miles. Our current territorial limit is three miles by our definition. So the LOS treaty would actually work to our advantage in the Artic.

I thought we already claimed a 12 mile territory, and Regan claimed a 200 mile economic back in the 80's.

12 posted on 08/12/2007 8:05:08 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: JohnA

You’re supposed to think that because the idiot enviro-whacko’s won’t let the experts take the necessary measurements, to forcast the reserves there.


13 posted on 08/12/2007 8:09:28 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: G Larry

If there was a lot of oil there, the bigs would have been after it some time ago. Who’s in the running? Some 2nd and 3rd tier corporations? I thought I read every time you looked at reserves determinations for that area, they were headed south.


14 posted on 08/12/2007 8:14:00 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA

We could bat our recollections around endlessly, so I’ll go dig up some facts.
But, the early estimates were quite high, and only minimized by the save the leichen crowd.
(They keep showing video of land rich in wildlife, that isn’t withing 100 miles of ANWR.)


15 posted on 08/12/2007 8:25:16 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: G Larry
Like a dog chasing its tail. How many man-politician hours have been spent on ANWAR already? It goes on and on and on ad infinitum.
16 posted on 08/12/2007 8:35:38 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: AFreeBird
I guess we can claim anything we want, but if you are not party to an international agreement, it boils down to might makes right. If you can enforce your claims, then you don't need a treaty. We have adopted the 12 mile territorial sea, but I don't think we have adopted the 200 mile EEZ.

President Reagan, in response to the increasing threats posed by Soviet spy ships hovering off the U.S. coast, proclaimed a twelve nautical mile territorial sea. The proclamation specifically limited its application to international law. The Proclamation specifically left undisturbed the three nautical mile territorial sea for all domestic purposes, including law enforcement. Thus, the Proclamation’s only real effect was to require the spy ships to move further offshore.

The situation has become immensely more confused with the passage of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. Section 901 of this statute declares that all of the U.S. territorial sea as defined in the 1988 Presidential Proclamation is, for criminal law purposes, part of the United States, subject to its sovereignty, and is within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States for purposes of title 18, U.S. Code (the federal criminal code). The section also amended the Federal Assimilative Crimes Act to include within its ambit the newly expanded territorial sea, while making clear that this expanded area was not within the jurisdiction of the adjacent coastal state. The legislative history of this section is sparse and the goal of Congress in this regard is unclear.

The Law of the Sea Treaty

17 posted on 08/13/2007 4:55:28 AM PDT by kabar
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Gee, for some reason, even with all the president’s legislative power, he hasn’t been able to get it passed yet. Kind of like his immigration plan. Maybe you should write your congressman and urge him to pass this globalist treaty. Oh, wait, that’s right, you’re not even an American.
18 posted on 08/13/2007 1:06:42 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: kabar

The Arctic is a diversion. Passing this treaty would turn over the South China sea to the Chi-coms and give the UN international taxing authority over the mining of seabeds. It’s a monstrosity.


19 posted on 08/13/2007 1:20:21 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

That’s right and we signed Kyoto too.


20 posted on 08/13/2007 8:13:09 PM PDT by JohnA
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