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To: ari-freedom
I mean, do you really think America with its values, creativity and free markets can ever be taken over by an authoritarian/communist cesspool like China?

Oh yes, much as Rome was runover by the savages. And in much the same way, we wont get "beat", but an empire, somewhere along the way, seems to lose its will to do what it needs to do to survive. They start to see themselves as "above" all that riff-raff. In other words, Liberalism kills them. You can see that in Europe, and in America as well. Will this continue? I dont know, I mean, I certainly hope not. As Conservatives, our goal ultimately is to delay the inevitable, or better, to keep at at bay ad infinitum.

31 posted on 08/10/2007 2:52:57 PM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convicing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: Paradox

America has its problems but it’s in far better shape than all the other countries.

I remember when everyone said that Japan would be #1 during the 80’s. Japan’s future is in even worse shape with its negative replacement birth rate.

Europe doesn’t look like it is in great shape. On the one hand the europeans have lost their moral and cultural identity. On the other hand, they have allowed all these muslims in and they might take over.


35 posted on 08/10/2007 3:08:36 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for a strong national defense, free markets and traditional moral values.)
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To: Paradox
As far as I can find out the Western Roman Empire fell because nobody would fight for it.

10,000 Germanic tribesmen sacked Rome in 410, as I recall. 10,000 barbarians just did whatever they wished with impunity. At the time the population of Rome was about one million.

The Roman Army at that time was largely made up of Germanic tribesmen, Goths, Vandals, etc. The Commander in Chief of the Roman Army in Italy was a fellow named Stilicho, a Vandal tribesman.

The Romans were all on welfare or working for the government. It had been more than a hundred years since moving or changing jobs without official permission had been prohibited. The value of the currency had been destroyed by inflation and with it the value of savings. Pretty much everyone was in permanent debt. Everything most people owned had had to be sold to pay debts. The farms were worked with slave labor.

44 posted on 08/11/2007 2:51:44 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Do not live lies!" ...Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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