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Heretical Thoughts About Science and Society [Freeman Dyson chides global warming alarmists]
Edge: The Third Culture ^ | 8 Aug 2007 | Freeman Dyson

Posted on 08/10/2007 11:44:05 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored

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To: snarks_when_bored

Dyson is sui generis.

Of course I wonder if his mapping of Feynman’s model onto Schwinger’s was accurate. Schwinger did not think so.

Been a long time. Nice to hear from you again. You have been missed.


21 posted on 08/10/2007 12:52:46 PM PDT by Iris7 ("Do not live lies!" ...Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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To: ari-freedom

I don’t necessarily disagree with him on the third heresy. I think alot of us here feel the same as him. Not that we think it necessarily WILL happen, but it wouldn’t suprise us. Things always go in cycles.


22 posted on 08/10/2007 12:57:36 PM PDT by Paradox (I'm almost done with Politics.)
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To: y'all
"--- The fundamental reason why carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is critically important to biology is that there is so little of it.

A field of corn growing in full sunlight in the middle of the day uses up all the carbon dioxide within a meter of the ground in about five minutes.
If the air were not constantly stirred by convection currents and winds, the corn would stop growing.
About a tenth of all the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is converted into biomass every summer and given back to the atmosphere every fall. That is why the effects of fossil-fuel burning cannot be separated from the effects of plant growth and decay. --"

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Notable common sense from a very uncommon man.

23 posted on 08/10/2007 1:14:50 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Thanks for posting this. Lubos is writing about the weather scam as well, check his blog http://motls.blogspot.com/
24 posted on 08/10/2007 1:17:49 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: snarks_when_bored
Excellent!!

A superb article, and it will probably cause me to buy his book.

25 posted on 08/10/2007 1:27:48 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Paradox

“Things always go in cycles” is not an argument.

I mean, do you really think America with its values, creativity and free markets can ever be taken over by an authoritarian/communist cesspool like China?


26 posted on 08/10/2007 2:21:06 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for a strong national defense, free markets and traditional moral values.)
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To: Paradox

I agree with you, Paradox, that there is, more or less, something going on in the atmosphere related to human activity. But what FD points out with such spectacular brilliance is that it’s a) unpredictable, b) not necessarily very bad or even all bad, and c) closely tied in with natural cycles that we do not understand at all.

I also agree with you about how interesting is his notion of land management. I’ve thought all along that the secret is in the sea (as in “give me a tanker full of iron and I’ll give you an ice age”). This focus on topsoil is a very interesting perspective.

And what he said about ice ages is absolutely and unarguably true. It’s one of the few things we know with certainty about earth’s long-term climate: that ice ages are cyclical, that warm periods are short, and that we are at the far distant end of the current warm period.

Are we fending off an ice age? In the hoot-mind of the OwlGore, is that a bad thing?

(And of course there’s much more to all this. Mars is undergoing warming? What about THAT? That’s a whole ‘nother issue!)

((I’m definitely buying the book.))


27 posted on 08/10/2007 2:25:56 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: snarks_when_bored
Why is everybody so upset about the third heresy? Where do you think the border invasion is taking us? To a position of increased strength on the world's stage?

We are being swamped in a way which, if unchecked, will most likely lead to the ship of state foundering. Not now, and not in 10 years. But fifty years from now? When Azatlan breaks away and HillaryCare has paid for a half-billion new border-born babies? How is the idea of a second-rate US so hard to imagine?

28 posted on 08/10/2007 2:30:00 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: snarks_when_bored
Dyson's unspoken truth==

Ignorance and Arrogance go mano e mano!

29 posted on 08/10/2007 2:33:03 PM PDT by Young Werther ( and Julius Caesar said, "quae cum ita sunt." (or since these things are so!))
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To: Paradox

A little warming, we can live with. But a new ice age would really suck. :-)


30 posted on 08/10/2007 2:47:45 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: ari-freedom
I mean, do you really think America with its values, creativity and free markets can ever be taken over by an authoritarian/communist cesspool like China?

Oh yes, much as Rome was runover by the savages. And in much the same way, we wont get "beat", but an empire, somewhere along the way, seems to lose its will to do what it needs to do to survive. They start to see themselves as "above" all that riff-raff. In other words, Liberalism kills them. You can see that in Europe, and in America as well. Will this continue? I dont know, I mean, I certainly hope not. As Conservatives, our goal ultimately is to delay the inevitable, or better, to keep at at bay ad infinitum.

31 posted on 08/10/2007 2:52:57 PM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convicing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: Ramius

I hear the Siberians got no problem with a little Global Warming :)


32 posted on 08/10/2007 2:53:37 PM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convicing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: samtheman

More important was the cancellation of the Superconducting Supercollider. Our scientists, instead of being at the head of the line in Texas, are at the end of the line in France. That will be seen as the watershed event in the decline.


33 posted on 08/10/2007 2:56:49 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Oh dear. What will Shell Oil do now, and that one that has the dinosaur mascot? (if oil comes from deep within the earth and is not the result of previous life forms)


34 posted on 08/10/2007 2:58:18 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Paradox

America has its problems but it’s in far better shape than all the other countries.

I remember when everyone said that Japan would be #1 during the 80’s. Japan’s future is in even worse shape with its negative replacement birth rate.

Europe doesn’t look like it is in great shape. On the one hand the europeans have lost their moral and cultural identity. On the other hand, they have allowed all these muslims in and they might take over.


35 posted on 08/10/2007 3:08:36 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for a strong national defense, free markets and traditional moral values.)
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To: samtheman

second rate US means something else would be first rate. I don’t see where that wonderful country is.

What is more reasonable is to argue that if America declines, everything else will decline with it.


36 posted on 08/10/2007 3:12:53 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for a strong national defense, free markets and traditional moral values.)
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To: saganite

He got banned?

Whatever for?

I am going to have to seriously consider why i still come here if thats the case.

Call me stuned,

knewshound


37 posted on 08/10/2007 3:24:22 PM PDT by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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To: Bladerunnuh

Freeman Dyson has forgotten more about science than Algore has ever known, times about 10.


38 posted on 08/10/2007 3:43:37 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: ari-freedom

I don’t think he was talking about quality of life. I think he meant power, of many kinds. Military, economic, and otherwise. It is possible that the day will come when the US is not #1. And if it does come to pass, the unending border invasion will be the underlying cause.


39 posted on 08/10/2007 3:57:42 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Bladerunnuh
Gore: The planet has a fever.

Dyson: I am impressed by the enormous gaps in our knowledge, the sparseness of our observations and the superficiality of our theories.

40 posted on 08/10/2007 3:57:43 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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