Ron Paul Quietly Converting GOP Believers

The Street ^ | August 9, 2007 | John Fout

[CenTexConfederate]

Ron Paul Quietly Converting GOP Believers

By John Fout TheStreet.com Political Correspondent 8/9/2007 12:20 PM EDT

Why haven't conservatives leaders embraced their own ideals and come out to support Ron Paul in public?

I pondered this issue in an article in June. I saw Paul as the one second-tier candidate who might have a chance of a breakout from the pack. It turns out I might have got it right. He has remained the most popular GOP candidate on the Internet. This genuine outpouring of support is rivaled only by that for Barack Obama.

[Designer]

"The most important thing is that we debate as FRiends.."

Thank you, sir. Very well said.

FReepers are not the enemy.

[trisham]

I’m for all but the “50s rock and roll” part.

[popdonnelly]

“This genuine outpouring of support is rivaled only by that for Barack Obama.”

What’s this, propaganda? - Mae West

[Designer]

"If Paul were to win the nomination, the GOP “as we know it”, in Clinton’s words, would cease to any longer exist."

Please excuse me, but I cannot tell from your post if you think that is a good thing, or a bad thing.

Please elucidate.

[trisham]

If it is, it’s not very convincing.

[popdonnelly]

At this rate, I’ll get to choose between two candidates who are wrong on the WOT.

[Theodore R.]

Hardly any national “leaders” of the GOP would endorse Paul if he were the nominee. Most would support HRC, as would GWB. It would be an unusual way to destroy the GOP, I guess. HRC would win fifty states or at least match Reagan’s forty-nine. People are afraid of Ron Paul.

[Designer]

"Hardly any national “leaders” of the GOP would endorse Paul if he were the nominee. Most would support HRC, as would GWB. It would be an unusual way to destroy the GOP, I guess. HRC would win fifty states or at least match Reagan’s forty-nine. People are afraid of Ron Paul."

Why would GOP leaders support HRC?

I know the GOP is on suicide watch, but why would you speculate they will support HRC? They can commit suicide quite effectively simply by nominating Rudy.

What people are afraid of Ron Paul? The globalists? The Insiders? The Marxists? All of those?

[Oberon]

“Limited””constitutional” government is rather low on my personal list of priorities. My priorities that are far more important to me are: Innocent babies, normal marriage and precluding the other kinds, unconditional military conquest of our nation’s enemies, a navy and air force well-stocked with nuclear weapons usable at a moment’s notice against our nation’s enemies, a restoration of a 600-ship navy, a couple of million soldiers, sailors, marines and airforce personnel on REGULAR active duty at all times and ready to roll, gun rights (near absolute), the right to leave (in case a paleoPaulie is EVER nominated or Ms. Arkansas Antichrist is ever elected, the permanent dynasty forming in the New York Yankee farm system as we post, ‘50s rock and roll, disco, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, the absolute political destruction of paleopeacecreeps, the marginalization of other people who favor the likes of paleoPaulie, cutting severely the taxes of Americans of modest means. When those are taken care of, get back to us on the size of government and its spending.

Sorry...your goals are incompatible with limited constitutional government. In fact, based on the power you want to hand to our government, you're indistinguishable from a liberal Democrat. They just have a different laundry list of things they want to do with it.

I think this conversation is pretty much over, though you may certainly have the last word if you wish.

[Shelayne]

Bwahahahaha! You owe me a new keyboard!

Oh. You were serious.

[Shelayne]

Yep. That’s how I read it.

[Theodore R.]

Rudy can win 20 or 25 states, but Paul couldn’t even win AK in my opinion. Haven’t you seen how GWB (and GHWB and Jeb too) always caters to the Clintons?

[Theodore R.]

A former AR Republican official told me this year that “a lot of Arkansas Republicans” do favor HRC in 2008. Even those nominally for favorite-son Huckabee

[ravingnutter]

Those happened in the the past and as they say...those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

We were in Beirut in 1983 when Hezbollah massacred the Marines, so Reagan pulled the troops out of Lebanon.

We went to Somalia in 1992, Black Hawk Down occurred in late 1993 and the troops were subsequently pulled out by Clinton.

These "cut and runs" were cited by Bin Laden and other jihadists as inspiration for 9/11, they said we "rushed out in shame and disgrace".

Here is some reading for you on the subject

[jveritas]

I posted this picture of a crazy man in a straight jacket to "centtexconfederate" but this he was banned I am posting it to you. In fact this picture applies to you and all the Paulestinians. No sane person can possibly utter this lunacy that Ron Paul can win the general elections, he is not going to be in the top three in any of the Republican Primaries. No sane person will follow Ron Paul, and I am putting it in a very nice way.

[mnehring]

Don't be fooled..

If you want to vote for an anti-War candidate, at least vote for the one on the Right.(note, this is not an endorsement of Hagel, simply putting Paul's votes in perspective)

Chuck Hagel's Voting Record

Ron Paul's Voting Record

Here are some more ‘Conservative(sic)’ votes by Paul:

Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes.

Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research.

Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion.

Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons.

Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime.

Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism.

Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror.

Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools.

Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy.

Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy.

Voted YES on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump.

Voted NO on speeding up approval of forest thinning projects.

Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding.

Voted NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations.

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits about obesity against food providers.

Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers

Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse.

Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1.

Voted NO on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Voted NO on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill.

Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers.

Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers.

Voted NO on promoting work and marriage among TANF recipients.

Voted NO on treating religious organizations equally for tax breaks.

Let's also not forget Paul's Pork Projects (that he voted for before he voted against when he calls them unconstitutional but he is just playing the game when he submits them because everyone else does it.. yadda yadda yadda..)

[SJackson]

The last thing we conservatives/the Republican Party need are conspiracy theorists and antisemitics in our midst.

Why not, it neutralizes the charge that Democrats are tolerant of radical anti-Israel sentiment in their midst.

It's a minor incident itself, but in an interview the other day Ira Froman (head of the National Jewish Democratic Council), when asked to address the issue of haters on the left, responded that they exist on bothe sides, Dems have Jimmy Carter and Jim Moran, Repbulicans have Ron Paul and Daryll Issa. The difference being that Dems criticize their own, the Republicans have an 11th comandment never to criticize their own.

Factual no, effective with Dems concerned about the issue, yes, it takes it away.

[jveritas]

What people are afraid of Ron Paul?

The sane people who have an IQ above 80.

[AdamSelene235]

You evaded my question. Why do we need troops in Beirut and Somalia.

Are you advocating invading Beirut and Somalia and trying to convert their rabid masses to liberal democracy as well?

[Rick_Michael]

I’m very libertarianish when it comes to the economy, but I’m not ‘high’ enough to support Paul’s foreign policy.