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To: BlackElk
Paleoconservatism

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Neoconservatism

Paleoconservatism (sometimes shortened to paleo or paleocon when the context is clear) is an anti-communist and anti-authoritarian[1] right wing movement based primarily in the United States that stresses tradition, civil society and classical federalism, along with familial, religious, regional, national and Western identity

Neo's

According to Peter Steinfels, a historian of the movement, the neoconservatives' "emphasis on foreign affairs emerged after the New Left and the counterculture had dissolved as convincing foils for neoconservatism . . . The essential source of their anxiety is not military or geopolitical or to be found overseas at all; it is domestic and cultural and ideological."[19] Neoconservative foreign policy parallels their domestic policy. They insist that the U.S. military must be strong enough to control the world, or else the world will descend into chaos. Believing that America should "export democracy," that is, spread its ideals of government, economics, and culture abroad, they grew to reject U.S. reliance on international organizations and treaties to accomplish these objectives. Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives may be characterized by an idealist stance on foreign policy, a lesser social conservatism, and a much weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government, and, in the past, a greater acceptance of the welfare state.

Consequently, neoconservatives advocate the spread of democracy to regions of the world where it currently does not prevail, most notably the Arab nations of the Middle East, communist China, North Korea and Iran.

neoconservatism "originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey and Henry ("Scoop") Jackson, many of whom preferred to call themselves 'paleoliberals.

Neoconservatives also have a very strong belief in the ability of the United States to install democracy after a conflict -

So if you call Dr. Ron Paul a Paleoconservate do you think it is an insult to him of some kind?

Ron Paul's brand of conservativism has been the conservative standard well before William Kristol and John Podhoretz separated from their idealogical brothers on the left and began trying to hijack traditional conservatism.

37 posted on 08/08/2007 5:17:10 PM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President.)
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To: KDD
Ron Paul standing up for Western Identity?
He rather apologize to Hizbullah and make up more excuses for supporting actions in Afghanistan (no "formal" declaration of war) while calling Iraq unConsitutional.) The only candidate who has come close there is Tom Tancredo.
39 posted on 08/08/2007 6:46:08 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: KDD
Calling Ron Paul a sort of paleoconservative is simply the truth. Paleoconservatism is itself despicable, as well outlined in David Frum's April 7, 2003 National Review article linked at the end of the Wikipedia entry, unless, of course, you regard racism and anti-Semitism as respectable. Ron Paul does not seem to go to quite that point in paleowhateverism but he certainly politically dallies with those who do.

BTW, wikipedia is not where I would go for political definitions. I do think it nice of them to include paleoSobran's little number calling conservatism (which he he mistakenly labels "neo"conservatism) "kosher conservatism." Right there, you can see why Sobran was dumped by National Review lest he further sully the reputation of the flagship magazine of American conservatism. Wikipedia fails to note that the late paleowhatever editorial heartthrob atheist Sam Francis was the editor of the newsletter of the so-called "Conservative Citizens' Councils", the lineal descendant of the White Citizens' Councils of 40 years ago aka the Blow-Dried Klan and that he had been fired by the Washington Times for addressing a neo-nazi national convention.

Peter Steinfels is as trustworthy an historian of conservatism as Karl Marx was of capitalism and for analogous reasons.

Paleowhateverism aka paleo"conservatism" was and is not one bit concerned with opposing communism. The paleopantywaists see a strong US opposition to, say the late communist Slobodan Milosevic as a bad idea like opposing Islamofascism seems like a bad idea to these professional cowards rooted in "blood and soil" ideology which is a polite term for far worse things.

I don't know about "neoconservatives," but actual conservatives are a LOT more socially conservative than is Tom Fleming and Chronicles and the Rockford Institute who got OH SO ANGRY at pro-lifers of Operation Rescue violating the PROPERTY RIGHTS of baby-murdering abortionists. Tom may be individually pro-life but, hey, first things first!!! Ancestor worship and racial exclusiveness are NOT social conservatism.

Ron Paul's brand of paleowhateverism is called insanity and cowardly insanity at that by normal people and his candidacy will be massively rejected accordingly. His supporters will be a source of embarrassment to their descendants. Ron Paul's brand of paleodelusionism mirror's that of the Garrett Garretts and the John Birch Society and the Objectivist followers of the serial adultress who supported Gerald Ford over Ronald Reagan because the stumblebum Ford was favorable to baby-killing.

The United States should have all the military hardware and troops that are necessary to fend off any threat from any movement or nation. We ought not to EVER ask: Mommy, may I???? to the United Nations (nor even belong to it) or to refrain from wars that are in our interest and sufficiently provoked (a minimalist standard). I personally do not give a rat's patoot whether Islamofascist countries become democratic or not so long as they do not get in the way of our interests.

41 posted on 08/09/2007 4:02:27 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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