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Quantifying the Hansen Y2K Error (Weblog Climate Audit Finds NASA GISS US Temp error--big one!)
Climate Audit Weblog ^ | Steve McIntyre

Posted on 08/08/2007 2:28:50 PM PDT by Freep EE

Quantifying the Hansen Y2K Error By Steve McIntyre I observed recently that Hansen’s GISS series contains an apparent error in which Hansen switched the source of GISS raw from USHCN adjusted to USHCN raw for all values January 2000 and later. For Detroit Lakes MN, this introduced an error of 0.8 deg C. I’ve collated GISS raw minus USHCN adjusted for all USHCN sites (using the data scraped from the GISS site, for which I was most criticized in Rabett-world). Figure 1 below shows a histogram of the January 2000 step for the 1221 stations (calculated here as the difference between the average of the difference after Jan 2000 and for the 1990-1999 period.) The largest step occurred in Douglas AZ where the Hansen error is 1.75 deg C! There is obviously a bimodal distribution.


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1 posted on 08/08/2007 2:28:53 PM PDT by Freep EE
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To: Freep EE

—The largest step occurred in Douglas AZ where the Hansen error is 1.75 deg C! —

Shocking! I thought there was an overwhelming global consensus on Hansen’s infallibility!!!


2 posted on 08/08/2007 2:41:25 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: Freep EE
Something unusual happened here though...at least for part of Mr. MacIntyre's discovery, Mr. Hansen acknowledged the error and gave credit.

It's incomplete, and certainly not fully clarified, but it's not the normal arrogant denialist non-response that many other members of the Hockey Stick Team, like Mann, typically issue.

Input data for the analysis, collected by many national meteorological services around the world, is the unadjusted data of the Global Historical Climatology Network (Peterson and Vose, 1997 and 1998) except that the USHCN station records up to 1999 were replaced by a version of USHCN data with further corrections after an adjustment computed by comparing the common 1990-1999 period of the two data sets. (We wish to thank Stephen McIntyre for bringing to our attention that such an adjustment is necessary to prevent creating an artificial jump in year 2000.)

3 posted on 08/08/2007 2:43:41 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Freep EE

By the way...did you see the GISS update on the 10 warmest years? I’m still trying to figure out whether it is an “official” update, or a derived update...but it looks like the figures have been off since 2000. If so, that’s what happens when you don’t release data, methods and procedures.


4 posted on 08/08/2007 3:37:43 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: xcamel; sourcery

You two seem to show up on these threads. Thought you might like a bump.


5 posted on 08/08/2007 4:29:37 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Freep EE; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


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6 posted on 08/08/2007 5:48:07 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: xcamel
This Climate Audit thread is a bit snarky (and perhaps preliminary), but take a peek.

This came about because of the review of the USHCN sites, a finding that many of this purported "high quality network" so far inspected have been found to be out of standard, and a debate over whether or not the problems have been properly adjusted for. What they found is that apparently - at least for the GISS data, a computer error has been lying undiscovered for 7+ years which has thrown off every year from 2000 on. ...One of the things that happens when one doesn't present the methods for open review.

7 posted on 08/08/2007 6:47:29 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Molly Pitcher

this needs some work, i expect....but still.

BTW, McIntyre is the same guy who cut apart the hockeystick, and whose work was confirmed by the NAS’s Wegman report last summer.

AFAIK, he believes in global warming, but is just sick at the poor quality of the studies from various climate scientists and their abuse of statistical methods.


8 posted on 08/08/2007 7:02:12 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
Basic References:

Lawrence Solomon's "The Deniers" (a series of articles on the view of scientists who have been labelled "Global Warming Deniers"):

Other References:


9 posted on 08/08/2007 7:05:01 PM PDT by sourcery (fRed Dawn: Wednesday, 5 November 2008!)
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To: rfp1234; Freep EE; xcamel; sourcery; Molly Pitcher; neverdem; SunkenCiv
NASA Admits Error: 1934 Back to Warmest Year in U.S.

By the way, the figures are still in flux. They're having to make a lot of adjustments, not just for the years in question (2000-2006).

10 posted on 08/08/2007 9:39:51 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

Thanks for the ping & link.


11 posted on 08/08/2007 9:57:39 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; AFPhys; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; ...
also to the GGG managers.
 
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12 posted on 08/08/2007 10:21:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 7, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: lepton

Forgot, thanks lepton, for the ping, and for that link.


13 posted on 08/08/2007 10:34:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 7, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: lepton

What’s the latest graph for that chart? The copies I remember seeing stop at 2000, showing the peak in 1998 but not much since then.


14 posted on 08/09/2007 4:12:48 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Freep EE
The link you provided is a fantastic website.

I particularly enjoyed seeing NASA's James Hansen (the only "scientist" Al Gore cited to the House Energy and Commerce Committee and the Senate committee in his March, 2007, anthropogenic global warming testimony) being ripped apart for his garbage-in/garbage-out climate computer modeling.

More Climate Audit webpages on Hansen.

15 posted on 08/09/2007 5:01:55 AM PDT by Beowulf
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
post 27 has links to previous data captures.

here is the Goddard Institute's most recent update, in text form.

16 posted on 08/09/2007 5:46:20 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Freep EE

Does anyone know why Climate Audit and Climate Science sites are apparently down and have been since this morning East Coast time?


17 posted on 08/09/2007 1:24:03 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: bjc

I can only speculate that the sites were designed for us technical folks and not prepared for the huge traffic that their analysis has brought.


18 posted on 08/09/2007 1:32:44 PM PDT by Freep EE
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To: Freep EE

AGW`ers will laugh at this as inconsequential.


19 posted on 08/09/2007 2:35:50 PM PDT by chessplayer
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