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Yes, Romney needs to answer questions about his religion
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | August 7, 2007 | Dick Polman

Posted on 08/08/2007 8:00:00 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: Weeedley

“If Willard Romney can make a case why a POTUS who believes in a cult based on the following document:”

Why don’t you go back to whatever hole you came out of. I’m sure there are some hate-sites out there who would love to have you.


41 posted on 08/08/2007 8:54:56 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Grunthor
Christians do not get angry or have any self consciousness about speaking on our religion. Why do Mormons? And asking questions is NOT bashing.

That's a pretty broad statement to cover all Christians. I'd accept that the Christians you know have not reacted that way, but your experience and knowledge certainly don't cover all of them.

In the same circumstances, with outsiders mocking and deriding basic Christian beliefs, I suspect many Christians would react the same way.

42 posted on 08/08/2007 8:55:48 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Aquinasfan
Can someone explain that last bit to me?

That would be difficult, since the whole post is a twisted mess of half-truths and sensationalist nonsense.

43 posted on 08/08/2007 8:57:54 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Aquinasfan

How old was he? How fast did he work? Why would he make that stuff up? Who else saw the plates? Who worked with hims? How many witnesses were there? how venomous was the opposition to him? Why didn’t he quit and recant? He wasn’t burying his head in a hat out of regret.


44 posted on 08/08/2007 9:00:13 AM PDT by Sundog (It's a good day for a catharsis.)
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To: greyfoxx39
This is particularly true in the Republican camp, where religion and politics are now routinely intertwined; indeed, candidate George W. Bush upped the ante in 2000, when he said that his favorite philosopher was Jesus, ''because he changed my life.''

Typical lazy journalism; they get the quote wrong. If you're going to use quotation marks, MAKE IT AN ACTUAL QUOTE. What the man actually said was, "Christ, 'cause he changed my heart." I remember it well; I was in the room.

[rant directed at author, not poster]

45 posted on 08/08/2007 9:01:55 AM PDT by xjcsa (Hillary Clinton is nothing more than Karl Marx with huge calves.)
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To: TChris

No he’s either faithful (and not being honest when he says it is irrelavant or he has no core basis to his principles. He is trying to have it both ways and getting called on it.


46 posted on 08/08/2007 9:05:00 AM PDT by Iowegian
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To: greyfoxx39
I'm an evangelical Christian conservative, and I'm not as much concerned about Mitt's personal beliefs regarding God and His Son Jesus Christ (although his religion is a cult and I pray for his conversion to true Christianity) as I am about his questionable judgement and his record of liberalism as MA governor. If he doesn't go to heaven when he dies it will be a tragedy for him, but if millions of Americans die in a needless nuclear war or from rampant domestic terrorism because he flubs his job as C in C it will be a tragedy for 300 million people. Actually it would be a tragedy for billions, not millions, of people worldwide, because if the US is destroyed in a nuclear war most of the rest of the world will be destroyed too.

I don't trust any liberal of either party when it comes to war. Cowardice and retreat in the face of opposition, which is characteristic of liberals, is far more apt to bring about a nuclear war than is standing rock solid strong for our nation's security and being equipped and prepared to fight to the death to preserve it. Knowing that they face such a determined, powerful, unyielding opponent would cause any potential enemy to realize that they would pay an unthinkable price for attacking us.

As much as I oppose Giuliani, I think he would be much better in that respect (national security) than Mitt even though I strongly disagree with him on many other issues and I doubt that my conscience would let me vote for him. But either Hunter or Thompson would be better, far, far better in fact, than Giuliani, and I would vote for either of those men without a moment's hesitation.

47 posted on 08/08/2007 9:07:45 AM PDT by epow
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To: TChris

You mean, like “Ether”? (Wasn’t that a typo?)
Mark Twain described the Book of Mormon as “chloroform in print” because it lifted so much from the old testament, then just kept repeating it.


48 posted on 08/08/2007 9:08:27 AM PDT by tumblindice (If you question my beliefs you are a bigot. However, if you belong to my church, you are a wise man.)
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To: Sundog

I think that most of America would be weirded out to find out that Mitt thinks that he will become a God of his own planet along with our God, who is one of millions of God of their own planets.

And no, I am not making that up.


49 posted on 08/08/2007 9:09:51 AM PDT by Rita Hayworth (Only God can make a tree but only man can drive past it at 130 mph.)
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To: TChris

I am so, so worried about how Mormon theology will affect governance that I had to look up voting records of places dominated by Mormons to get a clue.

Guess what I discovered? John F. Kerry managed 26% of the vote here in 2004. The counties he won are shown in red. The counties he won big are shown in darker shades of red.

Utah Freepers, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the OTM (other then Mormon) share of Utah voters close to 26%?

50 posted on 08/08/2007 9:10:19 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Weeedley; restornu; Grig; Utah Girl; Saundra Duffy; nowandlater; Old Student; tantiboh
You call the ignorant superstitious fool who founded Mormonism just ODD? He was a charlatan, huckster, bamboozeler, swindler, cheat and lier, and anyone puts faith in the pagan-tainted word out of this non-prophet risks heading straight to hell.

What gives you the right to declare a religion false, denigrate its founder and leaders, and offend members of that faith in a NEWS/ACTIVISM thread or even on a conservative political forum? Should your religion also be fair game? Would it be right for FReepers to trash your faith, the founders of your faith, and the things that you hold sacred? While you don't believe in some people's religions, and many people don't believe in your particular religion, don't you think that the polite and appropriate thing to do is allow everyone to worship how they so desire even if you don't agree with it? How would you feel if every day you logged into Free Republic, someone was harassing you about your religion and saying the most untrue, vile and ugly things about every aspect of it? Mitt Romney's or any other person's candidacy does not give you or anyone else here license to bash anyone else's religion.

You don't believe my religion is true. I don't believe that your religion is true. So what? Should I jump into every thread that mentions your religion or any candidate who is a member of your religion and start posting a bunch of attacks on your religion? No. Then why is it that you and others like you think that they have license to do that same to members of the LDS Church just because one of the frontrunner candidates is a member also?

Should Free Republic become a circular firing squad where we blast fellow conservatives because we think that their religion is false or odd or whatever? How does such behavior support the conservative mission of this website? It doesn't. It detracts from it. There's dozens of websites and forums where such behavior is considered to be appropriate. Might I suggest that you do this there and leave it off of this forum?

51 posted on 08/08/2007 9:13:10 AM PDT by Spiff ("I'm Mormon!" <---- The Free Republic version of a "Kick Me" sign)
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To: tumblindice
You mean, like “Ether”? (Wasn’t that a typo?)

You lost me. What are you even talking about?

Mark Twain described the Book of Mormon as “chloroform in print” because it lifted so much from the old testament, then just kept repeating it.

Yes, great theologian that Mark Twain was. Is Mark Twain your standard for accurate doctrine?

The Book of Mormon isn't a novel.

52 posted on 08/08/2007 9:15:24 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: greyfoxx39; dirtboy; All
This is all any patriotic FReeper needs to know NOT to support Romney click here
53 posted on 08/08/2007 9:15:58 AM PDT by meandog (Bush's name now synonymous with every bad word known.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I wonder if the media folk said that about Ellison (sp?) in Minnesota.


54 posted on 08/08/2007 9:17:41 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: TChris

Here you go FRiend.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/contents
(But I won’t lift you on-and-off the old girl.)


55 posted on 08/08/2007 9:18:18 AM PDT by tumblindice (If you question my beliefs you are a bigot. However, if you belong to my church, you are a wise man.)
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To: TChris

Good point!


56 posted on 08/08/2007 9:20:27 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: meandog
This is all any patriotic FReeper needs to know NOT to support Romney click here

Yes. Ignore the string of shining success after shining success in Mitt's leadership history.

Ignore Bain Capital and Staples.

Ignore the 2002 Winter Olympics.

Ignore Mitt's election to Governor in very liberal Massachusetts and his ability to govern conservatively there.

Pretend all of that never happened, so Mitt can be a Bad Candidate.

57 posted on 08/08/2007 9:21:14 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: greyfoxx39

{But Romney has a more difficult task. Whereas Kennedy mollified skeptics by declaring that ‘’I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute,’’ Romney can ill afford to say that. Conservative Christian voters, who wield great influence in Republican primaries, do not believe in ‘’absolute’’ separation. Romney would commit political suicide if he echoed JFK; nor would he want to, for personal reasons. He has repeatedly signaled that religion belongs in the public square, and that the tenets of his faith have infused his conservative politics. }

Since many of us are offended with the addition of “separation of church and state” to the original meaning of the Constitution, all he needs to do is say he believes in the Constitution as originally written and properly amended


58 posted on 08/08/2007 9:21:34 AM PDT by fproy2222
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To: tumblindice
Here you go FRiend. http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/contents (But I won’t lift you on-and-off the old girl.)

I'm still waiting to hear YOUR POINT.

I'm quite aware of the book of Ether. I've read it. More than once.

59 posted on 08/08/2007 9:23:06 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Spiff; Weeedley; restornu; Grig; Utah Girl; Saundra Duffy; nowandlater; Old Student; tantiboh

Please refer to Post #53 for a real picture of Romney...he makes Bill Clinton’s cowardice and loathing of the military pale in comparison.


60 posted on 08/08/2007 9:23:41 AM PDT by meandog (Bush's name now synonymous with every bad word known.)
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