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Yes, Romney needs to answer questions about his religion
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | August 7, 2007 | Dick Polman

Posted on 08/08/2007 8:00:00 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: aMorePerfectUnion; DelphiUser
I know. You have no idea it’s power. Muahahahahaha

Kidding aside, a topical guide is a useful reference tool, but is by no means the end all. It’s limited in it’s scope, but cross referenced with themes, topics, etc, especially useful for searching between eh Old and New Testaments for prophecies cross referenced in both, etc. Don’t knock it, you just might learn something.

Oh, and BTW, tools are only as good as the input it gets. Ask DU, he’s a programmer. ;-)

1,041 posted on 08/19/2007 8:27:40 PM PDT by sevenbak (I'm not the real Resty, but I might play one of FR. Muahahahahahahahahaha)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I bet I can still use the tin foil antenna cap on my head. I’m still getting messages from the mother ship, dontchaknow ;-)


1,042 posted on 08/19/2007 8:29:29 PM PDT by sevenbak (I'm not the real Resty, but I might play one of FR. Muahahahahahahahahaha)
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To: sevenbak
Oh, and BTW, tools are only as good as the input it gets. Ask DU, he’s a programmer. ;-)

I don't think he is planning to ask me anything, he has asked me not to post to him. We had a long discussion once, IMHO he was losing and cut off debate (he will feel it was the other way around, I am sure) by saying I was too long winded (who me?) and that life was too short.

Anyway, the phrase you were looking for is I believe "garbage in, garbage out".

Even the most sophisticated program can produce bad results when in inexperienced hands much the same way an expensive hammer does not make a novice a good carpenter.

Have a good evening, I've got a lot of catching up to do.
1,043 posted on 08/19/2007 10:26:56 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: sevenbak; aMorePerfectUnion

That’s actually a link to the “Guide to the Scriptures,” a useful, but much more abbreviated, index to the LDS canon.

Here’s the LDS Topical Guide itself:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/tg/contents


1,044 posted on 08/19/2007 10:55:12 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: sevenbak; aMorePerfectUnion

I’m afraid I was at a friend’s house “having a life” at the appointed hour.

Sorry to have broken the lines of communication.


1,045 posted on 08/19/2007 10:57:28 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: DelphiUser; aMorePerfectUnion
Oh, I know, that’s why I posted to you, I figured you’d get a laugh, if you've been following the thread. I’ve been yanking AMPU's chain asking him not to post to me the way he’s asked you not to post to him, to make a point of how silly it is.

Have fun catching up, I hope its’ worth your time. ;-)

1,046 posted on 08/19/2007 11:07:31 PM PDT by sevenbak (I'm not the real Resty, but I might play one of FR. Muahahahahahahahahaha)
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To: tantiboh
Oh, thanks. It’s all under the same basic directory, but I’ve used both. IMHO, vilifying tools is akin to asking man to uninvent the wheel.
1,047 posted on 08/19/2007 11:10:34 PM PDT by sevenbak (I'm not the real Resty, but I might play one of FR. Muahahahahahahahahaha)
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To: tantiboh

Getting a message from the mothership now, are you synched as well? ;-0


1,048 posted on 08/19/2007 11:12:06 PM PDT by sevenbak (I'm not the real Resty, but I might play one of FR. Muahahahahahahahahaha)
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To: Weeedley

BUMP


1,049 posted on 08/19/2007 11:26:38 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Rameumptom; DelphiUser; nowandlater; Reaganesque; Grig; Utah Girl; ...

~”There is flat out virtually nothing deeper
than “topic searches” and point to words.”~

You don’t seem to like it when we point you to FARMS, though...

Now, in our defense, I have seen mainstream Christians take a verse and use all kinds of deep linguistic study, extraneous logic, and copious explanation to try to justify how it upholds their point of view.

We Mormons tend to read the verse and follow what it says. We look to other verses (including, yes, works not considered by mainstream Christians to be scripture) for additional context and clarification; but we try to fit our doctrine to what we believe to be God’s word.

Many Christians take a different approach: they come up with an idea, then try to make the verses fit their doctrine. In my opinion, the traditional view of the Trinity and the faith vs. works debate are two examples of this phenomenon. When I disagree with their viewpoint, it is because I obviously haven’t “studied” the verses enough to understand the convoluted explanations that these Christians want to apply.

Given the choice between that and the plain, precious, and simple truths of the Gospel that I know, I’ll take the latter every time. For example, the following questions are answered simply and plainly in LDS Doctrine, but not always so plainly in mainstream Christian doctrine:

-What is faith?
-What is repentence?
-Where do we come from?
-Why are we here?
-What is the purpose of our existence?
-Where do we go when we die?
-What is the nature of God?
-Why do bad things happen to good people?

It all makes sense to me, thanks to LDS doctrines. These ontological “mysteries” and not mysterious to me, and this is a great comfort - particularly when the knowledge is solidified in my mind and heart by the testimony of the Holy Ghost as to its truthfulness. And then mainstream Christians get flustered that I fail to accept their viewpoint - after all, they’ve studied it and learned it and thought about it at great length.

What they don’t understand is that their religious viewpoints to me would be like trying to eat a Hershey’s chocolate bar after having become accustomed to eating the pinnacle of the art of the Swiss chocolateer. It’s just not satisfying to the soul to try to understand the convoluted and watered-down doctrines of mainstream Christianity when I have sampled of the pure, refined, unadulterated, and perfected truth of God and Christ my Savior.

Does that mean you have to stop eating Hershey’s? No. I can do no more than offer to share with you my premium Swiss. I can’t make you taste it. But you will understand, I hope, when I likewise decline to share your King Size; and you will also understand, I hope, when I attempt to defend the virtues of my premium Swiss when its quality is deprecated by those who choose to eat Hershey’s.

AMPU, I rather like how this explanation has turned out, though I am under no illusions that you will agree with it. Therefore, I am pinging my LDS friends, not for argument, but rather for edification. My friends, remember Moroni 7:45-47.


1,050 posted on 08/19/2007 11:43:25 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh
Thanks, Tantiboh, it's a wonderful post, but I happen to like Hershey's...

I know, it's an analogy, still, a wonderful post.

Well, off to bed. BBL8R
1,051 posted on 08/20/2007 12:04:51 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: tantiboh

Makes you kind of wonder how Paul and Peter and James and all the early apostles had any success whatsoever in spreading the Gospel, seeing as how they and their converts lacked significant study of structure, context, words usage,
original language, history, etc., in a unified whole of
interpretation, etc...

I mean, Paul didn’t even have a doctorate in Theology!


1,052 posted on 08/20/2007 12:20:26 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Ask not what you can expect from life; ask what life expects from you. -- Viktor Frankl)
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To: tantiboh

Thank you tantiboh

Salvation, Exaltation and Eternal Life Robert Millet, Dean of Religious Ed.

http://www.byu.tv/index.html?start=0&stop=3600&show=&ep=http://qmplive.xlontech.net/byutv/stream/070720.qvt

scriptures
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents


1,053 posted on 08/20/2007 1:09:03 AM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: papagall

Idaho’s gots a WIZARD??


1,054 posted on 08/20/2007 4:24:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sevenbak
That pattern only comes up when addressing the continual pattern of inaccuracies and falsehoods, ad nauseum. Why on earth should they all be addressed, it just gives them credence.

Because when you don't, the new lurkers in each thread just have to wonder what you are hiding by your silence; or inability.

1,055 posted on 08/20/2007 4:26:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sevenbak
First, it’s amazing how many times I bring up scriptures from the King James bible, only to have anti-Mormons say that is not a “correct translation.” The hypocrisy astounds me here.

You seem to confuse hypocrisy and mockery.

1,056 posted on 08/20/2007 4:27:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sevenbak
In fact, we LDS tend to rely on the whole bible, an all encompassing revelation from God’s many ancient prophets.

And we use it to point out what we consider conflicting things in it, and confusing things in it, and incomplete doctrines in it.

--MormonDude(Scholar I ain't)

1,057 posted on 08/20/2007 4:29:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tantiboh
This is not an indicator of ignorance.

Then just what DOES it indicate?

1,058 posted on 08/20/2007 4:31:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sevenbak
For someone as seemingly learned and esteemed as you make yourself out to be, you can’t do a simple search of the LDS site, which you seem to know so much about?

I've done searches of the LDS organizations website, but I can't seem to find the detailed instructions in scripture that would have been needed to create the Temple Rites.

1,059 posted on 08/20/2007 4:34:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tantiboh
 

Given the choice between that and the plain, precious, and simple truths of the Gospel that I know, I’ll take the latter every time. For example, the following questions are answered simply and plainly in LDS Doctrine, but not always so plainly in mainstream Christian doctrine:

-What is faith?
-What is repentence?
-Where do we come from?
-Why are we here?
-What is the purpose of our existence?
-Where do we go when we die?
-What is the nature of God?
-Why do bad things happen to good people?

 
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I bsaw two cPersonages, whose brightness and dglory defy all description, estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My fBeloved gSon. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 
 



 
Warning!!!  Abomination alert!!!
 

The Apostles' Creed

The basic creed of Reformed churches, as most familiarly known, is called the Apostles' Creed. It has received this title because of its great antiquity; it dates from very early times in the Church, a half century or so from the last writings of the New Testament.


I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
    the Creator of heaven and earth,
    and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
    born of the Virgin Mary,
    suffered under Pontius Pilate,
    was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended into hell.

The third day He arose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven
    and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
    whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church,
    the communion of saints,
    the forgiveness of sins,
    the resurrection of the body,
    and life everlasting.

Amen.


1,060 posted on 08/20/2007 4:41:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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