How Going Green will make the world safer for Jews—and everyone else.

Moment ^ | August, 2007 | Thomas L. Friedman

[SJackson]

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I admit to agreeing with Tom Friedman easily 20-25% of the time, probably a bit more here. The Erie story is a great one.

[rellimpank]

---I’m a big nuclear fan. Fifty-five percent of our electricity in this country is generated by coal, another 20 percent by nuclear, 17 percent by natural gas, 7 percent is hydro and about 1 percent is wind and solar and bio-fuels.--

--that is about my only general area of agreement with Friedman---

[spanalot]

Like I have been saying for 3 years - we need $20 oil to put an end to a lot of this nonsense.

[P-40]

Because the word “green” itself is associated with the Left, he thinks the concept would be better served by a different moniker

No kidding. Green brings to mind the Al Gore loonies and not the people with the financial calculators and the CAD/CAM software.

[SJackson]

I'm ok with the following as well. I should note it's not an Israel issue, right or wrong it all applies to America, but it's an Israeli publication interviewing him.

When global competition becomes this intense, when companies can suddenly find a mother lode of savings by just operating more environmentally efficiently and eliminating waste, it becomes a competitive advantage

those who argue that going green will drag down the economy. …. That’s just not true. Take one obvious example: Which country has the highest energy efficiency standards in the world? Which country has some of the highest gasoline taxes and gasoline prices? Which country has the richest car company in the world?

So expensive oil props up bad governments?... When oil was $30 a barrel, George Bush looked into Vladimir Putin’s soul and saw a good man. When oil is $70 a barrel, look into Putin’s soul and you’ll see gas problems

Israel’s got oil wells that never run dry. They’re called Ben Gurion University and Hebrew University and the Technion, and the Weizmann Institute and Tel Aviv University

Where are the U.S. and Israel among countries currently producing high-efficiency products? …They are somewhere in the middle—not the top, not the bottom

[Alouette]

RG: Is it Jewish to adopt a green approach to the earth?

TF: I think it’s Jewish to want to preserve God’s patrimony.

Since when did Tom Friedman become an expert of what's "Jewish" and what's "not Jewish." When was the last time he ever attended a synagogue? At his bris? (I doubt that he had a bar mitzvah)

This is the same shmuck who rolled out the "Saudi Peace Plan" way back in '02.

[SJackson]

No kidding. Green brings to mind the Al Gore loonies and not the people with the financial calculators and the CAD/CAM software.

Just like conservation brings to mind the Sierra Club and worse, not the many outdoorsman who support, protect, and spend time in the outdoors.

The left has been winning the war of words.

[BigBobber]

How Going Green will make the world safer for Jews—and everyone else.

This is a dangerous way to think. If we just stop buying oil the world's "Muslim Problem" will go away.

If we deprive them of their only source of income, the Muslim nations will be happy and stop bothering us? Give me a break!

[P-40]

If we deprive them of their only source of income, the Muslim nations will be happy and stop bothering us?

That also isn't what he is saying.

[goldstategop]

Tom Friedman is a liberal. But I do agree with what he says about petropolitics and nuclear energy. The global warming part of it is a hoax but it makes sense to me that we divest ourselves of being dependent on the oil producing countries as quickly as we can - not only for our own national security but also to promote modernization and freedom in those countries. That won't happen since as long as the price of oil stays high, they have no incentive to change and give their own people a better life. That means we need to extract energy from the land here in this country and build nuclear plants all over. That's the key to true energy independence for America.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[P-40]

Just like conservation brings to mind the Sierra Club

I know. I hate that. A conservationist is an environmentalist that actually understands the environment...and goes out in it.

[SJackson]

I agree with some of his points, but I haven’t a clue what a Jewish green approach is. And yes, he’s an proponent of the Saudi plan, along with our dear friends the Saudis. Obviously it’s because of the publication, but I admit his Jewish references are not only inappropriate but offensive.

[MNJohnnie]

Absolutely wrong.

Going “green” is why we are even more dependent on the ME Oil then we should be.

Instead of developing our own oil resources and alternatives like Nuke and coal, we run after this “Green” fantasy that we can simply out law oil.

Change in our energy policy will be have to be evolutionary, it will not be revolutionary. The Greenies think it can be revolutionary.

[Alouette]

“Moment,” “Tikkun,” “The Forward,” “Heeb,” do any Jews actually read these publications?

I will bet more anti-Semites read them than Jews.

[dforest]

Looks like conservatives are starting to buy this bill of goods.

[P-40]

If you want to understand what he is talking about, here is basically the same debate but in video format.

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/energy/energy051506_carnegie.rm

Discussion on Energy Security
The Foreign Policy magazine hosts a discussion on "Curing the Oil Addition: 'Petropolitics' & the Threat to Global Security." Speakers include Thomas Friedman, Foreign Affairs Columnist, New York Times & Sen. Richard Lugar, (R-IN), Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Cmte. to discuss energy security.
5/15/2006: WASHINGTON, DC: : CSPAN2

[Mr. K]

this is so pathetic

the only time the lamestream presstitutes notice something good for the Jews tunrs out to be to promote their environmental commie agenda

[SJackson]

Moment is a long way from the lamestream presstitutes.

But I'm sure they're commies

[George W. Bush]

This is the same shmuck who rolled out the "Saudi Peace Plan" way back in '02.

I forgot that one. And here I thought it was just a very stupid article.