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China Threatens 'Nuclear Option' Of Dollar Sales (Oops!)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8-7-2007 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 08/07/2007 10:52:02 AM PDT by blam

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To: GeorgeKant

Where do you get that crazy idea? The US dollar is at historic lows, and yet GDP growth is still hummin’ right along.

There’s no correlation between Chinese GDP and the value of the yuan.


61 posted on 08/07/2007 5:48:18 PM PDT by bw17
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To: blam

I hope they do. We need to rid ourselves of their threats now. We should never have given the MFN status and dropped our tariffs in the first place. What ever disruption in our economy they cause will force a correction that should happen anyway. Better now than later.


62 posted on 08/07/2007 5:48:58 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Billthedrill
I promise not to hold you to your crap ... but,

If this ... "The trick is that the exchange rate of the dollar against other currencies with which we will have to deal depends on the strength of these certificates."

.. is a valid statement ... that would mean (as I understand) ..

(Very simplistic) ... 20 years ago, they bought $100 of certificates at, say $75 ('cause we needed/wanted the money) ... and we promised to buy 'em back for $125.

If I'm still thinking correctly ... those numbers were based on an even exchange ... say 1000 yen = $100.

Now, our $100 of 20 years ago is worth only $75 ... and if the yen is now 750/$100 ... if they want to redeem .. we win ... if the yen is say, 2000/$100 we lose.

I can't stay here longer to reply, I drive truck and go out at 3AM ... need to sleep ... but I'd be curious to know if I'm following that.

And of course, if you ARE full of crap ... it's nice to know I have company.

63 posted on 08/07/2007 6:10:33 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Phsstpok

The short version goes something like...”I owe you a hundred dollars - I have a problem. I owe you 1.3 trillion dollars - YOU have a problem.”


64 posted on 08/07/2007 6:11:19 PM PDT by USMA '71
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To: bw17

Wrong. Their currency is pegged to the u.s. dollar at a rate determined by them. A falling u.s. dollar means a falling yuan, making them more competitive to the rest of the world. Meanwhile, selling our bonds they hold sends interest rates up because rates rise when bonds fall. Net, net, it hurts us and them.


65 posted on 08/07/2007 6:17:17 PM PDT by spyone
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To: blam

Dumb knee jerk reaction on China’s part. We will take our time... close opportunities here... a little there.... slowly we’ll block China from all sorts of economic gains... before long they’ll be on the outside looking in.


66 posted on 08/07/2007 6:23:22 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: spyone

I already said that it hurts us *and* them. But the point made in this article is that China is threatening to dump US treasuries because the US is considering taking actions that would force China to float the yuan.

There are things that the US can do via the WTO (with support from Japan and the EU) to force the Chinese to float the yuan...and they know it. That’s why they’re rattling their saber on this issue.


67 posted on 08/07/2007 6:30:04 PM PDT by bw17
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To: blam
I say come get some. If China devalues the dollar, I say we “bust it founding fathers style” and dump every bit of Chinese merchandise into the sea. Hell, I’ll help block a port brining in Chinese goods. That’s my nuclear option. Start crushing their economy like a fortune cookie.
68 posted on 08/07/2007 7:44:58 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 ("A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one" - Hamilton)
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To: ARE SOLE; blam; Dark Wing; TigerLikesRooster; Dog Gone
From Blazing Saddles:

[the Johnsons load their guns and point them at Bart. Bart then points his own pistol at his head]

Bart: Hold it! Next man makes a move, the nigger gets it!

Olson Johnson: Hold it, men. He's not bluffing.

Dr. Sam Johnson: Listen to him, men, he's just crazy enough to do it!

Bart: [lower register]
Drop it! Or I swear I'll blow this nigger's head all over this town!

[higher register]
Bart: Oh, lo'dy, lo'd, he's despit! Do what he sayyyy, do what he sayyyy...

[the Johnsons drop their guns. Bart jams the gun into his neck and drags himself through the crowd and towards the station]

Harriett Van Johnson: Isn't anybody going to help that poor man?

Dr. Sam Johnson: Hush, Harriet, that's a sure way to get him killed!

Bart: [higher register]
Oooh! He'p me, he'p me! Somebody he'p me! He'p me! He'p me! He'p me!

[lower register]
Bart: Shut up!

[Bart places his hand over his own mouth, drags himself through the door into his office]

Bart: Ooh, baby, you are so talented! And they are so DUMB!

69 posted on 08/07/2007 8:12:11 PM PDT by Thud
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To: ARE SOLE
Who will they sell to?

They'll sell to each other - lots of Chinese.

70 posted on 08/07/2007 9:00:27 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: GOPJ

With what money? Counterfeited North Korean hundred dollar bills? They don’t sell to us and the Chinese Communist Party will join Nicolai Ceaucescu within five years.


71 posted on 08/07/2007 9:43:31 PM PDT by Thud
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To: blam

So let’s declare all Chinese imports banned.

This p*ssing match is going to happen at some point.

Let’s get to it. Right now.


72 posted on 08/07/2007 9:49:04 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: ex-Texan; Eastbound

When the notes come due....


73 posted on 08/07/2007 9:50:36 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: null and void

I knew you were involved!


74 posted on 08/07/2007 9:56:25 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SauronOfMordor
In the 1930's, the Germans best trading partner was ... France

France didn't have nuclear weapons.
75 posted on 08/07/2007 10:23:16 PM PDT by End Times Crusader (Run Fred Run)
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To: blam; Calpernia
Dumping USD is what Beijing has been up to all along. But they will first dump them here in the U.S., buying up all sorts of hard assets: toll roads, bridges, banks, real estate, farms and whatever else makes them happy. Funny idea, isn't it? The good old US of A not being owned by the people here. We have been stupidly selling it off to the highest bidder for the past 35 years.

"Greed is good." -- Gordon Gecko.

76 posted on 08/08/2007 12:19:26 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: Thud

Ford figured it out when he paid his assembly line workers enough money to buy a Model T. That the Chinese have not “gotten it” for this long is a function of their weird left-over communist ideas...


77 posted on 08/08/2007 8:01:46 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Calpernia

Well don’t blab it all over everywhere...


78 posted on 08/08/2007 8:17:28 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: null and void

:)


79 posted on 08/08/2007 8:19:05 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
No, it means they have a tailspin of inflation.

Check again. When a currency appreciates, you don't get inflation, you get deflation.
80 posted on 08/08/2007 8:19:08 AM PDT by GeorgeKant
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