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1 posted on 08/06/2007 1:26:20 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

LOL...


2 posted on 08/06/2007 1:39:22 PM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: neverdem
When you are trying to deal with a group of illegitimates like what we have in the far left which is running the democratic party...consensus with them based on legitmacy is a wasted effort.

Therefore, you simply do what is right and then spend your efforts communicating that to the American people in very strong terms.

One failing our leadership has had, IMHO, has been spinning wheels trying to form some consensus or understanding with a group of people (the dems) who have no desire whatsoever on anything but your political destruction, and not enough energy simply communicating the correctness of the actions to the American people directly.

As regards the general WOT in going into Afghanistan and Iraq, the actions were correct and spot on. But when wheels spin in trying to bring the dems "around" the perception of uncertainty is nourished when instead we should have plowed on, full speed ahead, and simply communicated the need for it direct to the American people as often as necessary. With documentaries and footage on all the good that is occurring and progress being made that the left, the Dems, and the MSM will not report.

4 posted on 08/06/2007 1:42:23 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: neverdem
No what it requires is the death or retirement of the entire leadership of the Democrat Party. They are too childishly arrogant to put their petty domestic partisanship behind them and work for the good of the country.
5 posted on 08/06/2007 1:42:39 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: neverdem
I am right now reading "Dangerous Nation" by Kagan who is a co-author of this article.

Fascinating history lessons in the book. He is right that it's good to get agreements among democracies; however, a "legitimate" war may sometimes not allow for much agreement. Germany and France didn't think too highly about the Iraq war (though they're softening their tone since 2 quasi-conservatives got elected).

6 posted on 08/06/2007 1:43:09 PM PDT by what's up
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To: neverdem
>To sustain broad, bipartisan support for interventions requires that we rebuild a domestic consensus on a fundamental but elusive issue: the question of legitimacy

I think the main thing
(and maybe the only thing)
is a very clear

EXIT policy.
It must be reasonable.
Right now, in Iraq,

exit policy
seems to be "when things are cool"
when, of course, things there

will never cool down.
But President Obama
or, say, Hillary,

could go right into
Pakistan if they flat out
said they would get out

after destroying
every al-Qaeda base there.
I think everyone

would support a goal
with clear and reasonable
exit policy.
7 posted on 08/06/2007 1:45:19 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: neverdem

If a Dem wins the 2008 election, the next intervention will be here, in the USA. Nothing more needs to be said.


8 posted on 08/06/2007 1:49:37 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: neverdem
As the war in Kosovo showed, democracies can agree and act effectively even when major non-democracies, such as Russia and China, do not.

Kosovo? Kosovo, to the contrary, was a signal failure of the sort of international diplomacy that is a necessary precursor to the sort of sanction the authors are recommending. There was no consensus even among NATO nations until after the bombing started (which, incidentally, was criticized at the time with certain validity as a "unilateral" step on the part of the United States).

This won't do at all. The truth of the matter is that he who pays, plays, and that until NATO or the EU can pull their military weight independently their collective opinion in the matter will always be discounted, and deservedly so. "We'll tell you how we want to dispose of your assets" is the position of the internationalists in this. Thank you, but no.

10 posted on 08/06/2007 2:12:47 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem
This interventionism has been bipartisan -- four interventions were launched by Republican administrations, four by Democratic administrations.

Bill Clinton had "military" interventions?! Let us get real guys, the man ordered some air and missiles strikes and never had the heart, the brain, the soul and the will to launch a war against our islamic terrorists enemies or Iraq. He was too much of a politician and not a leader and hence he could not go to war, because wars by nature are unpopular and Clinton lived all his life to be popular, well he ended up as the NOBODY, DO NOTHING President who will only be remembered by his sexaul realtion with "that woman".

13 posted on 08/06/2007 8:06:48 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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Stare Decisis: Not Quite What Senator Schumer Would Have You Believe

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Casualties of Anti-War

Vanity - MUST see & hear from an Army Ranger on his 2nd tour-begging US for support

From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

14 posted on 08/06/2007 9:32:35 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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Ping. Really excellent summary of recent events in Iraq, and the related U.S. politics.


18 posted on 08/07/2007 5:45:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Thanks neverdem.
America has frequently used force on behalf of principles and tangible interests, and that is not likely to change. Despite the problems and setbacks in Iraq and Afghanistan, America remains the world's dominant military power, spends half a trillion dollars a year on defense and faces no peer strong enough to deter it if it chooses to act. Between 1989 and 2001, Americans intervened with significant military force on eight occasions -- once every 18 months. This interventionism has been bipartisan -- four interventions were launched by Republican administrations, four by Democratic administrations. Since Sept. 11, 2001, the situations in which an American president may have to use force have only grown, whether it is to respond to terrorist threats, to curb weapons proliferation, to prevent genocide or other human rights violations, or to respond to more traditional forms of aggression. To sustain broad, bipartisan support for interventions requires that we rebuild a domestic consensus on a fundamental but elusive issue: the question of legitimacy. That consensus has been one of the casualties of the Iraq war.
Simply done -- the media takes care of it, and makes sure that the four launched by Democratic administrations (singular -- media golden boy Slippery Bill launched all four of them) are considered legitimate (I'm sure you all remember the newsmagazine cover with the smiling soldier and crowd in Haiti, with the glowing headline) and the four launched by either Bush (starting with, hmm, Panama?) are not considered legitimate. And NPR worked tirelessly to reinforce the partisan biases of its drones who listen to nothing else.
20 posted on 08/07/2007 8:29:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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