[gemma0000]

"I see it more as a sign that a country has industrialized and achieved some degree of stability."

Yeah, who needs children when you've got industry and 'stability'? Surely the 50 million European abortions per year haven't a thing to do with their serious population decline. And surely abortion isn't related to the need for European nations to import labor and tax payers from Islamic nations. Seriously, I think industry and 'stability', (as you call it), have created narcissism, selfishness and greed, which in turn has created the lack of babies, which in turn has created the need to import millions of Third World miscreants to fill the void. You cannot get away from it, there is a heavy price to pay for abortion, a spriitual and temporal price.

[P-40]

I think industry and 'stability', (as you call it), have created narcissism, selfishness and greed

Nope. Some people will choose that in any society. We just live in one where you have the luxury of practicing it more.

[kabar]

The abortion rates in Europe are bgenerally lower than in the US. Our fertility rate is 2.09 births per female, just at replacement level, but our population growth is .89% among the highest in the world among developed coutries, primarily due to immigration, legal and illegal.

[cowdog77]

“...narcissism, selfishness and greed, which in turn has created the lack of babies, which in turn has created the need to import millions of Third World miscreants to fill the void. “
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It’s naive to think otherwise.