Posted on 08/05/2007 2:12:56 PM PDT by pacelvi
Fox News Live with Julie Banderas to have Ron Paul live in a few moments
Please remove from Breaking when the moment passes if appropiate.
You're right, those pointless quotes from the Founders are irrelevant. And that Constitution?? Geez, that's so 18th century.
Mmm...Julie Banderas....
Not sure why you’ve got Run Fred Run for a tagline since you seem to think Federalism quaint and old-fashioned.
Interestingly enough I see this and never do I see an explanation why this is. Don't worry I don't expect an explanation from you either.
This is not the 18th century.
Ah yes, 'conservatism'. Embracing the 'living breathing Constitution' faster than you can say liberal Democrat..
Aw, c’mon, that makes even less sense than the “OMG WAR FOR OIL” nonsense. ;)
And, if you didn’t notice, Congress went along with it just fine too. What were they thinking?
I have seen that quote in several forms countless times since signing on the FR over nine years ago, but never in context.
I was a Marine.
We weren’t into poetry.
(ducking, in good humor)
Yes I’m sure the context of freedom and liberty has changed remarkably since those quotes were penned.
Blackelk was the CONNECTICUT state chair for Reagan in 1976. He moved to Illinois several years ago.
I don’t see the Constitution as a suicide pact and neither does Fred Thompson.
“This is my rifle, this is my gun....”
Methinks Paul supporters protest too much.
Very touchy bunch.
You bet giraffe it has. Modern technology has given each of us freedoms of which the founders never could have dreamed. To pretend that the wisdom of their day is timeless is to treat them as secular apostles whose utterings dare not be contradicted.
As an American, I accept the Constitution as the basis for the laws of the land. However, I do NOT accept every word of those who co-wrote or signed the document as gospel. And if Franklin (or whoever might have said it) meant that we dare not ever take any action to infringe on the privacy of evil people whose life's purpose is to destroy the nation that guarantees the rights of law-abiding people, that's just stupid and suicidal.
I'm sure Jamie Gorelick would disagree with me.
PaleoPaulie opposes this quite necessary war. Those who would put this feckless wussie in the White House are, therefore, seeking to put an antiAmerican antiwar wussie in the White House and to preserve the viability of Jihadism. No one who would entertain such a disastrous notion as paleoPaulie (on his knees pleading for mercy in the name of Allah, no doubt) as Commander in Chief (RETREAT NOW AND FOREVER!!!!! WAR JUST IS NOT WORTH IT!!!! WAIT, MOHAMMED, I'M YOUR PAL. WHY ARE YOU AIMING THAT SWORD FOR MY THROAT??? AAAARGH...GURGLE) has any business imagining him/her/it as a conservative.
Rump ranging is not conservative. It ought not be dignified by pretending that it is the basis for tax-subsidized "marriage" between perverts. Baby-killing is NOT conservative. I suppose that there are jackasses out there who imagine modern day libertarianism to be somehow conservative. As a former Libertarian Party state officer (before I grew up), I know better. Knee jerk self worship and whim worship and I gottabemeism is NOT conservative.
As a matter of fact, the propaganda issued by Hamilton, Madison and Jay trying to illegally enact their constitution is not relevant to what constitutes conservatism in the 21st Century. If we have an interest in ancient political disputes, we can bother with the Federalist Papers. Patrick Henry disagreed with those three then and many still do. Personally, I think the Aaron Burr's bullet which cut down the authoritarian Hamilton at Weehawken was one of the most fortunate fired in American history. Contemporary election returns laying the Federalist Party to permanent rest only a few years after Washington's retirement and death confirmed that the country favored Jeffersonianism over Hamiltonianism. Hamilton and Jay were primarily interested in foisting a financially elitist regime upon our country. Hamilton wanted a lifetime monarch elected by the public.
If you want to read some relevant history, read the Articles of Confederation which required UNANIMOUS vote of the states to modify, amend or replace them in any way. The Constitutional Convention, with absolutely no authority to do so, ignored the requirement of unanimity in favor of its idea that 9 of 13 would be enough to abandon the Articles and institute the new constitution.
Additionally, you should get a grip on the Mount Vernon conference and the Annapolis Conference which preceded the Constitutional Convention and were called only for the ostensible purpose o working out agreements for navigation of the Potomac River but deliberated in secret and plotted the new constitution which would give far more real power (taxation, and the maintenance of a military without asking Mommy, May I? to the governors, and most importantly [to that elite] the right of Congress to issue money and regulate its value).
The Federalist Papers are political columns. I don't depend on New York Slimes Op-ed columnists or raving Congressnuts like paleoPaulie at Special Orders to inform me as to what Dubya really meant to say when he said the opposite or what his motives were just because paleoPaulie's buddies in Al Qaeda disagree with America.
America is a free country. You are free to disagree with what you call "authoritarians" and to support rump-ranging as tax-subsidized "marriage" and the slaughter of 50 million innocents as "choice." Conservatives are free to seek and to enact when opportunity arises laws that punish abortion and prohibit government endorsement, funding and allowance of such abominations. Those conservatives DO know better and the sooner that conservative agendas are enacted on such matters the better. We may some day get around to cutting your taxes or government's spending on non-essentials if and when the permanent and far more important issues have been decided, including social issues and the matter of exterminating our nation's enemies.
The founding fathers did some remarkable things and made some noble attempts to shackle government. The latter have failed. Those who worship at their altar seem to have no problems with a North run amok invading, raping, looting and pillaging the Southland after 11 states seceded (perfectly legally) to form their own nation. Some who are enthusiastic for the slaughter of babies have few qualms about Herod Blackmun's decision in Roe vs. Wade but really have their undies in a bunch over efforts to federally prohibit abortion because the word abortion does not appear in the constitutional text or with necessary wars that result from Congressional authorization without the magic abracadabra words: declaration of war.
The hallmarks of paleoPaulie's paleowhateverism are, in no particular order: obsolescence of ideas, obsolescence of remedies for real world problems like Islamofascism and, before Ronaldus Maximus, soviet imperialism, specific word worship, impracticality, futility, imbecility, dishonesty (as in federal sugar for Galveston trolleys and claiming to be an American and a Republican and a patriot while using Al Qaeda cheat sheets and Demonratic talking points at GOP.
If you can support paleoPaulie for POTUS despite his status as a player for Al Qaeda, his passion to facilitate their efforts with TRADE almighty! His dimwitted failure to grasp the concept that the Islamofascisti (whatever their obvious drawbacks) are man enough to NOT put their principles (however warped) up for sale. They understand that money is only money and that money is not everything. Libertoonians would do well to understand that operational principle. If, in every day life, I buy a bottle of Coca Cola, it is because money isn't everything and because that specific amount of money is worth less to me than is the Coca Cola I want to consume.
If you want peace, prepare for war AND actually fight a few wars crisply and efficiently and do so in such a way as to make the defeated enemies poster children for why you don't screw with the United States. It is far better to be feared than to be loved.
If libertoonians and other peace creeps don't get that, then we ought not to waste our lives waiting for them to catch up and resolve their paleofussiness and endless excuses for delay. Just do it!
As a self-confessed paleoPaulie supporter and as a self-confessed libertoonian, you have no standing to define conservatism, lecture conservatives or try to add liberal (originating in the Nation and the New Republic) and libertoonian prefixes like "neo" to the term "conservative."
Long before the social and ideological eccentrics figured out how much they were despised in 1986 by the Reagan administration people and how unlikely they were to EVER be credentialed in their strange ideological stew of "blood and soil" fantasies, constitutional literalism, dalliance with the old White Citizens' Councils under the name of "Conservative" Citizens' Councils using a racist atheist (the late Sam Francis) as their editor, and advocating pacifism in foreign policy and an impossible program of cheapskatism even toward the military, conservatives well knew who we were and we were not you or other paleos or libertoonians. Legitimate libertarianism (not the dopesmoking, rumpranging, babykilling variety) provides a small portion of the conservative anatomy but it is not going to become the tail that wags the elephant.
Unless and until you place a higher value on innocent human life and personal morality and preservation of Western Civilization thann you do on money, we are not allies and we shall not be allies, no matter what the founding icons may have written in a very different place and time.
I did not live in Illinois until 2000.
I am really having too much fun beating up on paleoPaulie the wonderwimp and his “surrender now” and “pucker up for pashas” brigade to let you change the subject. As PJB once believed, it is better to “ride to the sound of the guns.”
Mgstarr and billbears: If you decide that life and sexual normality and defense of civilization matter more than money, materialism and self-worship, be sure to let me know. Until then (if ever) I classify you with Lowell P. Weicker, Jr., (enthusiastic for abortion and lavender causes and an enemy of American interests) whose Senate seat was transferred to Lieberman in 1988 over Weicker's persistent abuse of the franchise of Republicanism and specific cozying up to Castro while scuba-diving with him. Whether you guys want to be Weickers or not is up to you. Your support for the paleopipsqueak is a good initial indicator of your chosen life path and will serve in the absence of actual proof to the contrary.
I am speaking here for myself and the fact that I pinged some friends is not to suggest that each agrees with all that I have posted.
Any more with Ron Paul, you watch to see what caliber of gun is shot and which foot subsequently gets hit.
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