Posted on 08/05/2007 8:14:27 AM PDT by bnelson44
Find out what happens when social cons stop being polite and start getting real. Barnett has background; the magic begins when the headphones come off, but there’s an early detour through crackpotville when the host urges Mitt in the event that he’s elected to invite the Supreme Court to step outside.
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I had very mixed reactions to this exchange. On the one hand, I wish people of faith would just say, “yes, my faith informs my public policy decisions on major moral issues; I don’t think any good Mormon should vote for people who further “gay” rights or abortion.” On the other hand, it was nice to see Romney not play nice, even if it was hard to swallow his “I was pro-choice but I acted pro-life as governor” defense.
The real problem with anyone asserting that their faith informs their decisions, is that Romney had to admit, and even turn it into a weird virtue, the notion that the Mormon hierachy doesn’t really have the power of their convictions, any more than Evangelical leadership does. It would be nice to worship someplace where the preacher says, “if you vote for a pro-abort, repent right here and now—publicly.”
Romney is only reflecting the theological weakness of our age.
You would never see this done to a candidate who is Jewish or any other Christian church.
Being Mormon would cost any candidate about 5% of the vote, which presently renders them unelectable.
If Mitt were a long-time solid conservative, I’d feel bad for him because of that.
Do you want the same kind of leadership they have in Iran?
So the hypocrisy of pro-abort Catholics shouldn’t be discussed either?
Which is worse? To commit a sin or to change the laws of this nation to legalize that sin. With or without the law it is still a sin. But should our nation support abortion ideologically and financially?
One is a personal failing (to have an abortion) the other is an act of design for evil (legalizing it).
We don’t go through the Bible and criminalize actions based on the religious texts. But here we are looking at striking down old laws already on the book and saying that there is no social harm in doing so.
Now we find that homosexuality is “the same” as heterosexuality and that while the advocates proclaimed it was about consenting adults in private, it is now being taught to school children with no restrictions on when they can put it into practice (i.e. an age of consent for homosexual acts at 18). And no legislator ever had to raise a hand to vote “yea” because it was run through the courts.
But the legislators do try to thwart any public vote on same sex marriage.
An agenda is being pushed on numerous fronts that is contrary to biblical teaching. They can push their political agenda but they need to come clean about what faith it is that they really practice because they lost their religion a long time ago.
What some conservatives don’t seem to realize is that there has to be a degree of moral axiom in making policy. “Professor” Pete Singer of Princeton argues that defective two year olds should be killed by the state. If enough academic pointy-heads agree, the only thing saving us from a policy shift is the finger of God in stone at Sinai. There will be yuppy econ conservatives who will call that Taliban thinking, but that’s only because they want to be free to shag anything that walks without looking at moral or economic consequences. Traditional Juedo Christian faith SHOULD inform all policy making, and the framers knew it.
Nice Christian response. I’m a half wit and a idiot because I feel a person can govern without imposing his church’s doctrine on all of society. At the end of the day I hope I will have increased the level of my wit beyond the fractional but I’m afraid you’ll still be a whole Ass.
Of course in our society (and even ancient ones we are given the choice to actually ACT, follow and believe what we say we do).. Remeber Christ stated “many will call me, “Lord, Lord” and I will say get away; I never knew thee.”). I can’t speak for Romney cause I don’t know if he has a faith Yet I believe personally Mormonism isn’t really Christian (does that mean I am saying anything against Mormons Personally:NO, I just disagree with their theology). It wouldn’t keep me from voting for someone for President, but I don’t like Romney’s flip-flopping-seeming “post-modernism”!
To quote a hymn, and St. Alvin York (Gary Cooper) “Give me that Ole’ Time Religion”..!
I don’t care if this guy worships at the altar of Hershey Kisses. I think he is a little too slick.
Do you really think they’ll just stop at abortion?
First Abortion, then flushed with their success - contraception, then pre-marital sex, then alcohol, then dancing, using the same logic all the time “It’s the word of God...”
Nobody ever stops after success.
The advantage of secularism is while you might not get to force other people to follow your beliefs, other people can’t force you to follow theirs.
Unless their beliefs are from the secular churches, like liberalism, socialism, communism, environmentalism. They have no problem legislating those beliefs and forcing them down everyone’s throats in a “secularist” society.
No. I would not like uninformed, crazy, bigoted, fanatic folks like yourself leading the US.
You are not just wrong -- you are very wrong. I suggest you search here under the keyword "homosexual agenda".
And welcome to FR.
Fortunately, Christians aren't required to check our good judgment at the door. We are allowed to notice when someone else is acting in a bigoted, fanatic manner and, well, when they say something really stupid. We are even allowed to note the occurence of that behavior. Amazing huh?
For the record, you have completely changed the tenor of your point from your first post to the current one. The first post was the same old tired blah blah about Christians being no different than the Iranian Mullahs. Your current post just notes that "it's possible" for a person to govern without being informed by their religion. Of course that's true. Democrats and many Republicans do it all the time.
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