American Spreads Hiroshima Legacy (traitor barf alert)

AP ^ | 8/4/2007 | CATHY BUSSEWITZ

[muawiyah]

Correction: With the ChiComs not yet a threat and the Nationalists already within the Soviet orbit, FDR's ambitions must have been more modest AND focused on having the Japanese maintaining their position in Manchuria rather than expanding further into China at great cost to little advantage.

BTW, I was thinking Joe Stalin just as I said "fascists" ~ how silly.

[jamaksin]

Or, ... a "negotiated" peace brokered by the US ... then a gradual withdraw to a status quo ante "China incident" ...

That is what Grew told Hull.

The Japanese held the opinion that the FDR administration wanted peace far too long.

[muawiyah]

There's the "official history" that we have in our NEA reviewed text books, and then there's what FDR was really after.

No doubt the various naval force level agreements had served to remove the Brits from an effective position in the Pacific while elevating the Japanese and their American ally to an unassailable supremacy.

The Japanese had a firm position on the Eur-Asian landmass and definitely were positioned to defeat any Soviet incursion into our (and the Japanese) sphere of influence.

Then the Japanese did something very stupid ~ they invaded China ~ which ended up costing them a lot more than they gained, and that was just in the first few months.

[rmh47]

American forebearance, American goodness, and the fundamental American love of humanity were amply demonstrated in the rebuilding of Japan after its defeat. The Japanese know that, if Japan had defeated the United States, no such forebearance--and no such reconstruction--would have taken place.

I'm not absolutely sure what you mean by "if Japan had defeated the United States." There was no possibility of that in August of 1945. I assume you mean if Japan had repelled the invasion by the United States, which was certainly a possibility

I would go further than you. If the USA had successfully invaded Japan, the American casualties would have been so high that the rebuilding of Japan would never have occurred; the American people would not have allowed it.

[snowsislander]

The Hiroshima-based group is currently hosting in Hiroshima seven school children from nuclear powers India and Pakistan to study peace and the A-bombing of the city.

Thank you for doing the research on Mr. Leeper. I could see from the original article's quotes that he was on the loony left, but it appears from this gem about seven Pakistani and Indian schoolchildren "studying peace" that he is also just a loon.

It is amazing to me that any news editor would let this kind of baldly biased type of "journalism" through.

What is really risible is that there isn't even a pretense at presenting any other view than the silly leftist swill in this article. Whenever any vaguely centrist or conservative opinion is mentioned in an article by the MSM, you can guarantee that an opposing leftist opinion will be produced for the sake of "fairness." But here it is all left-wing gospel and thus needs no "balance."

[Savage Beast]

In August 1945, there was no possibility that Japan would defeat the United States. However, in the early years of the war, it was a distinct possibility.

If Japan had defeated the U.S., the Japanese would have shown none of the forbearance, kindness, benevolence, and mercy toward the conquered Americans.

In fact--American forbearance, kindness, mercy, and benevolence shocked the conquered Japanese, who fully expected the cruelest possible brutality--which is exactly what they would have shown had they been victorious and which is why they were so shocked at American forbearance, kindness, benevolence, and mercy.

The Rape of Nanking would have been an afternoon tea party compared to what they would have done to the Americans,

And the Japanese knew it. That's why they were so pleasantly surprised at the Americans' treatment of them.

[rmh47]

I agree with your post #106. The outcome of the war was very much in doubt at the beginning. We humans tend to think that whatever happened in history was inevitable when, often, the outcome hung on a few chance events. The outcome of the war was probably much more in doubt in the ETO than in the Pacific, though.

In your post #31, however, I thought you were talking about the decision to use the bomb on Japan, which decision was, of course, made in 1945. By that time the defeat of Japan was inevitable, although the terms were certainly still fluid.

I support the decision to use the atomic bomb for three reasons:

One, it saved many lives, both American and Japanese. An invasion of Japan would have been bloody far beyond anything we, or they, had seen up to that point.

Two, it allowed for the rebuilding of Japan after the war, whereas the bloodbath that would have followed an invasion would have embittered the American public to the point where massive help for Japan would have been politically impossible.

Three, you have to judge people according to their Zeitgeist. At the time the decision to use the bomb was made, no one, except perhaps some of the scientists who had worked on it, had any reason to view it as anything except a bigger and better bomb. We had been building bigger and better weapons of war for the last four years. This was no different, right? Wrong! It was different, but until we, and the rest of the world, got to see the results of these weapons, no one really understood that. We were setting foot in a new land, a qualitatively different world of the strong nuclear force, orders of magnitude more energetically dense that the forces of the electron shell.

As a side benefit, we kept the Soviets out of Japan by ending the war when it did.

[P8riot]

Made in America. Tested in Japan.

[lapsus calami]

 

 

EVERY year it's the same old sniveling, whiney finger pointing at the USA crap. My entire family, immediate and extended, had to disperse out all over planet earth to break things and kill people because of that Hitler bunch and their buddies the Japs, so me and mine have NOTHING for all the complainers and revisionist history BS artists - there was not going to be any second-place winner in that fight, it was all or nothing, and the "Axis Powers" being intractable hardheads got them their fate. How rough it got was a choice up to them - they could have quit at any time if they would have had the sense, but noooo, they all had to learn the hard way that wholesale militarism was NOT the way to win friends and influence adversaries. It was THEIR choices that got them the cities full of smoking rubble until those with some clarity stepped forward to capitulate and put an end to their destruction.

 

And I Thank You, Sir, and YOUR family for all your service to this nation. I salute you and yours.

 

 

 

[LeoWindhorse]

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