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Iraqi Deaths Spike Five Months Into Surge
Yahoo News ^ | August 1, 2007 | Joseph Krauss

Posted on 08/02/2007 8:13:57 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright

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To: andy58-in-nh
Excuse me. You were the one who said the numbers were trending down. To say that the past has “absolutely no resemblance or relevance to what is going on now”, is incorrect; today’s decisions are a consequence of yesterday’s actions. That said, I still do not see how you can support that statement that there is a downward trend. Comparing months from 06 and 07, May 07 had 1.8x more deaths, June had 1.7x, and July had 1.9x as many. Hardly a down trend.
61 posted on 08/02/2007 11:00:02 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I was listening to ABC News give a newbreak on the radio. The announcer gave the top stories and said, “In Iraq today, there were four deaths.”

My inital thought was, “Okay, who died? Were they American soldiers? Were they killed in an accident? Were they killed while capturing or killing twenty terrorists? Were they innocent Iraqi citizens killed by an IED?”

The news blurb was meant to make a stupid American think, “Uh, oh! In Bush’s evil war the American death toll has just gone up by four!”

To say that I loathe ABC News is an understatement.


62 posted on 08/02/2007 11:04:37 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all.--William Goldman)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I expect that if General Petraeus requires more troops, he will not be shy about asking for them in September. In the meantime, we have made significant progress by changing tactics in fighting the insurgency. Specifically, by involving tribal leaders directly in MLF operations and utilizing a growing Iraqi police force, we have been able to deny safe havens to the al-Qaeda operatives and Baathists who act as insurgents.

We continue to work with the Iraqi government to stabilize relations between fractious minorities, at least some of whom are beginning to see the futility of battling each other when they could be participating in the leadership of their own country. It's still a mess - but it is getting better, and pulling the plug at this point would result in a certain disaster. As a means of historical comparison: Germany was a mess in 1949, too.

63 posted on 08/02/2007 11:05:58 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (There are two kinds of people: those who get it, and those who need to.)
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To: avacado
if we are to believe you, the AP and the MSM, then that would not be a spike, but rather a huge drop.

 bttt
 

64 posted on 08/02/2007 11:08:47 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: stormer

The surge began in May: 121 deaths. June: 98 deaths. July: 71 deaths. 121 to 98 to 71. I believe 98 is 81% of 121 and 71 is 58.7% of 121 and if that is not a “down” trend, I don’t know what is. You cannot compare 2006 casualties to those in 2007 because the operational reality of this year is utterly different than that of last year. We have more troops, the Iraqis are better trained, we have the assistance of tribal leaders where we had none last year, the government is stronger, the insurgents are weaker and have fewer places to hide. And that is why the number of US deaths are down in the past three months. It may be hard to accept, but for right now, we have the upper hand.


65 posted on 08/02/2007 11:16:52 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (There are two kinds of people: those who get it, and those who need to.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
"Latest polls show dims at 12% to 14% approval... and less Americans claiming they are dims... lowest in 10 years.

Some new polls will show support for the War around 50% and climbing."

 

That's what happens when you side with the terrorists against your own country. 

66 posted on 08/02/2007 11:21:00 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: andy58-in-nh
The problem is that if General Petraeus does need more troops, will he have political support from Congress to do so?

If I'm not mistaken, General Westmoreland asked for more troops in 1968, he was denied.

Granted Iraq and Vietnam are both different wars, but the one thing they had in common is that both wars are unpopular. Even if we are on the verge of winning it all in Iraq, the Democrats may call it quits.

By the way, I believe that the Iraqi Parliament is in recess for the month of August, despite that they still have a lot of issues to work on and we are losing patience in Washington D.C.

67 posted on 08/02/2007 11:36:42 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
In a way, we would had been better off if we left Iraq in May '03

After overthrowing Hussein, we should have put Chalabi in charge and given him what he needed to run the country. He would have cut the requisite deals and things would be no worse than they are in Egypt right now.

Instead, the PC crowd in the State Dept and Bush's own naive stupidity has us in this position. We are screwed, and we dont even have a client over there we can rely on. After 5 yrs! What a nincompoop.

68 posted on 08/02/2007 11:51:43 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: stormer
Within a standard deviation? There would be more credibility to your analysis if the data point was within two standard deviations. I' not a statistician but I believe one standard deviation has a 67% confidence interval and two standard deviations has a 95% confidence interval (science uses two standard deviations).
69 posted on 08/02/2007 11:53:20 AM PDT by wfu_deacons
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To: MinorityRepublican

You are correct that we are in a very critical time for the was in Iraq, and things could still go either way. General Westmoreland didn’t get the troops he wanted (even though US troop strength in Vietnam peaked in September 1968 at 537,000), but even as the last US troops came home in January 1973, we had bombed the North Vietnamese into submission and a peace agreement followed. It was only when Congress cut off aid to South Vietnam in 1974 (and the USSR expanded aid to the North) that the Communists gained the upper hand.


70 posted on 08/02/2007 11:55:47 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (There are two kinds of people: those who get it, and those who need to.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

A killing spike could also be a signal that the surge is working and the terrorist are ramping up their attacks to sway American opinion - just a thought.


71 posted on 08/02/2007 11:56:00 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: jpl

We did fine last year. Lost control of the senate by one seat, but that’s typical for a president in office this long. Going soft on immigration hurt us more than Iraq ever will.


72 posted on 08/02/2007 12:41:02 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Nonstatist

Part of the problem is that the State Dept. screwed President Bush and Defense Dept. by replacing Garner with one of their “guys” Bremer who couldn’t do the worse job with occupation in Iraq than anyone would had thought. I believe that Garner planned to keep the Ba’athist Army intact after replacing some Saddam Loyalists as commanders.


73 posted on 08/02/2007 12:57:47 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Nonstatist

get real. Compared to Billary or Osama Obama, the GOP candidate (especially Fred) will win in a alandslide.


74 posted on 08/02/2007 1:00:05 PM PDT by balch3
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To: SoldierDad

I agree; that too.


75 posted on 08/02/2007 1:00:30 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: 1035rep

Don’t you just despise dims!?

LLS


76 posted on 08/02/2007 1:01:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Big time!


77 posted on 08/02/2007 1:01:39 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Fishrrman

have you seen the latest polls that show support for the war increasing?


78 posted on 08/02/2007 1:01:57 PM PDT by balch3
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To: MinorityRepublican

The illogical disconnect in 2003 was mind-boggling: we couldn’t have BOTH a light US/Coalition force footprint AND abolish the Iraqi military. The DoD dictated the former and the State Dept. dictated the latter. It was a recipe for disaster, and this is not 20/20 hindsight. I said so at the time, but I’m just a middle-aged keyboard babbler.


79 posted on 08/02/2007 1:07:04 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: Nonstatist

You mean the average guy is “SICK” of meaningless media headlines that are effectively enemy propaganda.


80 posted on 08/02/2007 1:10:00 PM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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