NRO: Fusion Candidate (Ron Paul)

National Review Online ^ | August 01, 2007 | Todd Seavey

[dusttoyou]

The author is delusional. Paul is the worst possible opponent to Hillary. He has zero charisma and looks like a deer in the headlights when in front of a camera.

Exactly!! This points toward maybe more than a little “assistance” from the klinton camp.

Yeah, I know we are still a long way out from Nov. 08, but how could anyone with any rationality think Congressman Paul has a snowball’s chance?

[George W. Bush]

Hillary would carry 50 states and DC against L.Ron.

The last match-up polling put Ron Paul around 35% against Her Thighness.

Given that so many people still don't know who he is and what he stands for, that's a truly amazing number and not that far behind the rest of the "top tier" candidates.

Maybe those other candidates would do better in fundraising and in support if they'd embrace Reagan-Gingrich small-government and liberty. Like Ron Paul does.

Let's run a genuine conservative (Ron Paul or Duncan or maybe Fred). As Rush says, it works every time we have the courage to try it.

[Allegra]

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

See? I knew they sat around wearing Star Trek uniforms and Spock ears and stuff. ;-)

[Orange1998]

Would you be happy with another 4 years of Bush.

[George W. Bush]

Pinging some RP supporters and some others posting on the threads today.

A fresh new shocker from the FEC, reported by Army Times. It turns out that now that the FEC has verified the employers, that Ron Paul is leading McStain (by a nose) among active-duty personnel!

RP's total military employee contributions: $22,140
RP's total active duty contributions: $14,840

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From the August 6 edition of The Army Times (print edition only, not online):

Washington

Surprise fave among troops

WHAT'S UP: Among Republicans running for president, the anti-war candidate — Texas Rep. Ron Paul — has the highest total of campaign contributionns from service members, according to the most recent Federal Election Commission reports. Paul collected $14,840 from service members, slightly more than the $14,775 collected by Arizona Sen. John McCain, a supporter of the war in Iraq. The other Republican candidates got $2,600 or less from contributors who identified themselves as service members.

WHAT'S NEXT: Paul, who served as a flight surgeon in the Air Force in the 1960s, and McCain, a Navy pilot who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, could not be further apart in their views of the Iraq war, which is the biggest military issue so far in the 2008 campaign that is just beginning. The current front-runner in the race, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, received $2,550 from military contributors, the FEC report shows.

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Read 'em and weep, all you Paul-hating big-government trolls. Two-thirds of his support is from troops, matched by McStain. And the other pro-war GOP candidates can't break $2600! Your denials and fantasies have been exploded by ArmyTimes, well, unless they're another Leftie rag. LOL.

Earlier related threads:

• Ron Paul leads ALL ‘08 candidates with one-third of military contributions for Q2
• Military Favors Ron Paul Over McCain
• Military support for the Republican candidates (Ron Paul wins)

[note to the Ron Paul cadre: we have two good RP threads already. We may post this tidbit as a thread tonight or tomorrow because we don't want to abuse FR with RP articles, especially since the other campaigns are so boring and dead in the water at present. Certainly, it isn't our fault that RP gets so much attention but we should be reasonable, I think.]

[George W. Bush]

See? I knew they sat around wearing Star Trek uniforms and Spock ears and stuff. ;-)

There might well be more Star Trek fans left in this country than people like you with hawkish war views.

See my previous. ArmyTimes, confirming that RP does lead in support by troops. Your denials are exposed.

[Allegra]

I always like to drop in and chat with you because you're such a nice little ray of sunshine.

Delusional. Obsessed. But so very amusing. :-)

[Puddleglum]

But is she a TROPHY wife?!?!?? That seems to be an issue these days...

[Puddleglum]

Ron Paul threads are like bug zappers. Those attacted to them are left to decide who are the bugs and who are the picnickers.

[Puddleglum]

A fresh new shocker from the FEC, reported by Army Times. It turns out that now that the FEC has verified the employers, that Ron Paul is leading McStain (by a nose) among active-duty personnel!

• RP's total military employee contributions: $22,140
• RP's total active duty contributions: $14,840

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Nonsense! - the numbers are doctored or the question was asked wrong or DU'ers voted (or sumpthin'...(trailing off muttering)

[trisham]

Thank you for a thoughtful reply. Although I still think the response to which I objected was beneath you, I agree with you here. There's no doubt that FR has had its share of trolls and RINOs, despite the recent exit of some of the more vocal offenders. It's a constant battle, imho.

My biggest concern is Giuliani. I fear a Democrat victory if he is our nominee.

[Puddleglum]

Yeah, I know we are still a long way out from Nov. 08, but how could anyone with any rationality think Congressman Paul has a snowball’s chance?

Well, let's look at it: if Hunter got the nod, he would be grilled mercilessly in the media about earmarks for certain equipment the military doesn't want. He would be grilled by insinuation about Randy Duke Cunningham, Abu Graib, and Titan Corp.

Ron Paul - well, he would face the same trial by insinuation slurs he has faced here vis-a-vis association with right wing racists and anti-semites (aka the dirt that I think comes from his Houston buddy and 1988 presidential rival, GHWB and buds).

Fred - he is a cypher. I think he can only win as an anti-Hillary, but that may be enough. His facade will not carry him through the primaries once he announces. His voting record may appeal to mainstream party straddlers more than Republicans; don't know what dirt Hillary and Friends® may find.

Rudy - He's lost to Hillary once.

Others?

[No.6]

“Seems to me that it is more true to say that the guy who gave us BJ was actually named “George Bush.””

IMO the guy who gave us Clinton was named “Ross Perot.” Whenever one ‘side’ (conservative or liberal) splits between two candidates and the other doesn’t, the side that doesn’t wins. In this same sense the ‘guy who gave us W’ is named “Ralph Nader.”

[George W. Bush]

My biggest concern is Giuliani. I fear a Democrat victory if he is our nominee.

Well, you've seen my tagline so you know how I feel about him! LOL.

I have a concern that without RP (or Duncan or Tom Tancredo) in the race, we won't pin down the GOP field on conservative principles and ideology. And I'm sure you grasp my assertion that Ron Paul is popular across the board (as Reagan was) because he has that old magic Reagan-Gingrich message. We need for all our candidates to embrace it.

I think we may find Fred Thompson in some agreement with at least some of the positions RP is taking. By staying out, he can decide about the surge's success and public sentiment on the war and continue to measure RP's unlikely success against the voter demographics he wants to appeal to. Fred is a smart old lawyer (okay, he's younger than RP) and a D.C. insider.

Wanna see something fun? Ron Paul has Meetups and groups overseas. Here's a video made by some young Belgian guys. One of them could be a future Reagan-type or a Sarkozy-type. It's great stuff, almost unbelievable coming out of Belgium, home of the EU. Ron Paul is sparking these groups around the world, hungry for liberty, prosperity, and sick of central economic planning and the strangling nanny-state (like the EU).

Belgians For Ron Paul

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

A) The Army Times is a liberal rag. It's published by Gannett and has no more connection to the US military than USA Today (another Gannett publication) -- regardless of what said liberal rag calls itself.

B) Where does it say anywhere the employers of all contributors have been independently verified?

Donors are asked to specify their employer. You're telling me the federal government is following up on this information from every individual contributor to make sure they're all telling the truth? (Ironically, this might be the first time I've ever seen self-described "libertarians" touting the government's ability to gather personal information about private citizens.)

I don't buy it. And given the way Paul's supporters have conducted themselves in a manner similar to Truthers and Kos Kids with their relentless spamming, there's no good reason to believe they're telling the truth about who they work for. The most notable thing about Paul's campaign thus far has been the campaign of mass deception waged by his rabid supporters. There's no reason in the world to believe this is any different.

[dread78645]

Many times, the debate between the R and the D boil down to how much the feds will do for you:

R = whatever you want
D = everything, regardless of whether you want it

Whenever the choice is between a big-government liberal (Rudy) and a big-government liberal (Hillary!), it should come as no huge surprise we keep electing the big-government liberal.

No thanks. I'm done voting for the lesser evil.
Ron Paul for the primary. And I'll probably write him in for the general, if necessary.

[trisham]

Wow. That’s impressive.

[George W. Bush]

Wow. That’s impressive.

I know! Belgians!

There's still magic in the Reagan agenda. I wish some other people would just wake up and realize it. Rush keeps telling us and he's right. But no one else seems to believe it.

When they start comparing Belgium's tax-freedom day and unemployment to ours and ratio of public-vs-private employment, that stuff could have been written by a Lee Atwater or a Peggy Noonan. And then to see those fresh-faced kids hollering for Ron Paul and his message, well, you realize that we need a global message of peace, liberty, prosperity, small-government.

It's just a great little video.

[trisham]

It's going to be a long campaign and a really long election night. In '04, I finally went to bed, almost fatally depressed. When I awoke the next morning, I found that Bush had won. I have a feeling this coming election will be just as much a roller coaster ride.

You're right about the Reagan agenda. It's what I am hoping for in Fred.

[Petronski]

Would you be happy with another 4 years of Carter?