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To: Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; slow5poh; Rabble
Good comments all
There used to be a strong northern state's rights tradition. Read on:

    Examples of Secession

    Here are some other quotes from influential leaders

    1. Abraham Lincoln endorsed secession: "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable -- a most sacred right -- a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." (1848)
    2. The Declaration of Independence clearly states that governments are institutions that can be defined as "deriving their power from the consent of the governed."
    3. Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence also stated: Whenever "any Form of Government becomes destructive" of the inalienable rights granted by the Creator, "it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government."
    4. Alexander Stephens in his "A Constitutional View of the Late War Between the States," submitted, the central government, the common agent of the people of the states, is legitimate only so long as it exercises its delegated powers within the bounds established by the people through the Constitution.

109 posted on 07/31/2007 9:52:47 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
I do not think Lincoln believed he was asserting a right to secession in 1848.

Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence also stated: Whenever "any Form of Government becomes destructive" of the inalienable rights granted by the Creator, "it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government."

The full passage from the Declaration clearly shows the illegitimacy of the secessionists' action:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government"

Jefferson and his generation believed that revolution must be a sober action. I cannot think of a more light and transient cause than anger over losing an election. That hot headed stupidity by itself warrants the beating and humiliation the "Southern Revolution" received.

124 posted on 08/01/2007 5:30:48 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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